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On the family passing the position issue, Th mother, the Advisor, seemed to try to control both groups, Troop and Crew. Dad, the SM, seemed there as the token male figure. Never heard or saw him do much the 6 or so months my son was involved in the Crew. As for being the advisor, mom pretty much told everyone, scouts and parents alike, how it was going to happen. She had the Troop and Crew meeting on the same night, same place same romm. Daughter was the lead Venturer. The mother refused to have anything to do with the Council, office staff, camps, store, etc. She would send the scouts/ve

All I can say is nepatism, passed down from dad. Mom is/was the Crew advisor. Lisa, good point. I sure hope so.

What is the general concensus on a single leader with an out-of-wedlock child? Just happened in our Council, 22 or 23 year old single female SM who just recently had a child. The CO was a religious based organization, not to active with their troop, didn't know about the SM. Some parents complaind to the DE, who approached the CO. Needless to say, there have been leadership changes.

Lisa,9b 2+4. Your talking a 2-3 hour hike with packs and a 2 hour canoe ride. What scout doesn't like canoeing? Set up a camp out where they backpack 4-5 miles up to the livery and canoe the 7 miler which usually takes 3 hours. Have lunch before hitting the river. Incorporate 9c into the event. Have a leader be at the livery with a vehicle to put the packs in, so you don't have to take them in the canoes. By the way, which camp are you using for summer camp?

moxie is correct in that the CO technically owns everything, if the Troop Committee doesn't take proper precautions. Now I may be wrong, but I have heard of Troops/Packs that have made up contracts with their CO's as to who owns what, what is the CO's and what belongs to the Troop period. That way the CO can't get their hands on Troop/Pack monies from fundraising, dues, etc. Also, if the Troop came into the agreement with equipment, that the equipment belongs to the Troop, not the CO. moxie, who bought the tents? Was the money from the Troop fundraisers and dues, or did the CO spring

Here a posting Gonzo came, To save this thread from shame. Should it come to a timely end? Or to others will we it continue to send, and continue this rhyming game?

fox, No to your question. The SM is just along for the ride. It is the Scouts COH, not the SM's. As asked and stated in another thread, the SM doesn't have to be the person actually handing out the Eagle Medal to the Scout, it can be whom ever the Scout wants. Now if there is something that would questionably be in bad taste in the ceremony, then I think it's advisable to have a sit down, and discuss the potential problem and a possible alternative, but ultimately it is up to the Scout. I know my sons COH being held at summer camp this summer, might raise a few eyebrows. The Cou

Beavah, I think the thread you were looking for is under the Politics Thread, fourth entry.

Eammonn, You did everything you could. Do you know what has happened to the lad since his expulsion? Beavah, I agree with the others that feel the SE failed. Unfortunately someone should still contact CPS, if the school hasn't. The main reason being there has now been two incidents. How many more have possibly gone unreported? Not to call the lad a sexual predator, but he sure seems to be heading that direction. Someone needs to stop him from continuing. Someone needs to look into his history. Usually an abuser/predator has a history of being abused by a predator, and the cy

gilski, How far into Mexico are you talking? Just over the border or down aways? Whem is the project suppose to take place? Have you contacted your Council's or National's International Committee about the appropriate paperwork? Has your son and troop looked at the Internation Tour and Exchange Booklet? Is there a Mexican troop in the area that could host your troop, and assist in the project, become a sister troop. possibly lowering your son's costs? I'm sure that WOSM would be interested in this project and how it turns out. They may be a good source for information. I'ld like to be s

Looks like a Venturer (forest green) wearing a neckerchief.

gilski, Check with your Distict Advancement Chair. They should be able to give you some incite. If I'm right (if I'm wrong, I'll be corrected fairly fast by the forum members), an Eagle Project can not be of a fundraising nature. ie: raising funds and donating such funds to an organization for a building project for the homeless. A scout may have to fundraise to finance the Eagle Project. ie: The project is to take an area house, run a Habitat for Humanity project on the structure. Said project will cost $5000. The Scout and Troop may hold fundraisers to cover the costs

Beav, Don't count out the 18 year olds and the difficult parent. I have a couple sauvy 18 y/o's that have had a lot more Conflict Resolution training, some on a international level before graduating high school, more then most of the adult leaders in our Council. One in particular I have no problem letting handle the difficult parent. He has a rare talent for defusing touch situations, and everone walks away laughing. They may be rare, but they are out there. Older leaders usually have more life experiences, but a lot of time are set in their ways, less flexable and don't always handle thi

Oak Tree and jblake, I like your approach, but there is one snag. Your Scouts that age up can only serve as ASM's until they turn 21 (MBC also). Then they can opt for a CM position. So what does the SM do when one of these Scouts wants to stay in the Troop? You can't necesarily make them adult chaperones, ie: leaders in training. How do you two handle the 18 y/o's that want to stay in your respective troops? Do you just assign them as ASM's? Do you place them under the wing of an experienced ASM for a certain time period? Just curious how you do it? Eric(This message has

Lisa, My wife going to start wondering who this Lisa is that I keep chatting with. LOL Our R&M Committee is trying to make some inroads back into the public schools. That's for another thread. As for Charters, my son attends one for Special Needs Students with AS and ADD. It is tied to the public schools, but is run by a private management firm. Actually the person that started the Charter also runs the PMF. The PMF owns the buildings. When he started the school (now schools, in Oh. and Fla.), he based a lot of the structure off of the Scouting philosophy, being an Eagle

Barry, Check out Buckeye Council's website. The SPL2B is buried in the Summercamp Leaders Guide under Programs. If your not WB yet, this could be a good ticket item. Eric

Barry, I like the idea of paying the SPL's way. Does your Council have an "SPL2B" program? Our Council has one in place. The SPL has a chance to go to summer camp for a second week with another troop for $75 or $100 for the week. This way he can participate as a Scout, not a leader, and earn MB's or other certifications. Now here's an idea. NYLT as a requirement to be SPL. Troop picks up half or al of NYLT costs. (At least our Council rebates $50 back as a campership for summer camp.) Then when the Scout becomes SPL, and does the SPL2B program, the Troop covers the SPL2B cost o

Lisa, In the past our Troop has had the Scout pay up front ($150), and then reimbursed him $50. The Council also credits $50 back to him for his summercamp fees. This way the Scout/family only pays $50 out of pocket in the long run. We have trouble interesting our Scouts in NYLT. This year we had one that is very interested. He is a junior and is the SPL. He is the type of Scout that follows through on things. Since he is attending NYLT and I know he won't back out, I talked with the new SM about covering the whole cost. Yesterday, I handed Council a check for $150. Yes, I fee

Lisa, Does your Guard buddy have a friend that has his own plane or access to one at the county airfield? We tried to set up a weekend campout that ended at an small airport on Sunday. The former SM had a friend that held his private license. The original plan was was for him to take 3 Scouts and a leader up for 15 minute flights, fulfilling one of the MB requirements. One possible complication is you never know what Mother Nature will do to your plans. We had scattered clouds with a low ceiling, effective grounding our activity for the day. Two nice things that helped that day were, 1)

fg, Do you have any more information on this retreat? I checked the DOW website, but was unable to find out any further info. Does your Council or Diocese run retreats like this in Texas? I sit on the Diocese of Youngstown's Committee on Catholic Scouting and am in a group of four who just started a Council level Committee on Catholic Scouting for the Buckeye Council. Our Diocese covers parts of three Councils, and our Council reaches into five or six different Dioceses in Ohio W. Virginia and Pa. which creates some unique problems with communication. We're attempting to get s

Lisa, The committee members in question, are either of them the parent of the scout that is supposedly having the school problem with the other boy with the issues? If so, does this parent have a real concern, or is s/he just trying to keep the troubled scout out of their sons patrol? Does the CM have a hidden agenda? Does the SPL go to school with the two scouts in question, where he might know how the two of them really get along with each other? Has there been problems between these two during Scouting Activities? Everyone runs around screaming HIPPA, but if th

Drop the DRG, I don't know. Let's just make changes to it as suggested above. Allow the Athiests to declare what ever it is that they want and not exclude them from Scouts. Some of them are quite the outdoorsmen, just like the illiterate person in the earlier post. Everyone has something beneficial to add to the program. Now let the howling continue. "Duty to God" and "Reverence" today has become a JOKE in Scouting. How many of you actually talk with the Scouts about "Duty to God" and being "Reverent" as part of their advancement? Probably less then half, since a lot of SM's state th

Bicentennial Eagle from Great Trail Council, Ohio. Welcome '07. What did you do for your project?

Chuck, Click over to the "Issues and Politics" forum abd read fgoodwin's thread "Scouting reaching out to Muslims". I found this by accident. I don't remember it popping up on "Todays Topics" around that time. Might be helpful.

Gonzo, There must have been a continental shift or some other anomaly putting Ohio farther south then Georgia. Went to the DC yesterday for the first time. Cost 45 dollah. Think we should let them in on the rafting story? Second thought, nah. Has anyone ever heard a final conclusion on what happened in "Tragedy in Virginia"? Eric