Its Me

The ad was for a Lear Jet and it went something like this:

Four states

Three closings

One merger

and now one little league game.

As I spent 6 hours in soccer sign-up for the second saturday this month. Then more hours contacting coaches about practice times and schedules. As I prepare for my up coming den season, my wife's girl scout meetings have already started.

That little league game that Mr Lear Jet is going to is coached my someone else. Someone he doesn't know. That League is run entirely by volunteers and someone else likley took Jr to the game. Mr L. Jet waved to him in-between cell phone calls.

Why does that Lear jet image bother me? Am I jealous?

Scoutingus, you write like a troll just trying to stir things up.

Oops double post

Nothing to see here, please keep moving.

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Your approach is correct but your system is weighted too heavily towards your needs. Structure and management system are absolutes when looking for the next IBM but a scout troop is not a business. It is a youth development program.

Concentrate on what your son's interests are. See how he and the other boys react to one another. Good web sites prove little in regards to your boys growth. You may think the leaders make Wal-Mart management system look shoty while your son thinks the other boys are braggarts

I found the key to the Senior washroom. Check out what these guys are useing.

http://jellycan.com/brozone/uk/royalthrone.jpg

Classy!

You are going to have to stop calling me Junior. I am now a full fledged Forum Member. Now do I get a key to the nicer washroom?

Good replies. The link mentioned that most receipes are written for the 12" x deep, D.O. that will be the one I get.

Thanks

I signed up with 50megs.com for free we service but I would like a calendar feature. This is not offered through 50 megs. I have tried converting and outlook calendar and a Yahoo calendar to photo and word document and then uploading but have been unsuccesful.

Any suggestion or known free web service with calendar featurs?

Gee a private email message from someone who quotes the Cub Scout Leader Handbook. Now who could that be?

Last year (wolf) I classified our campout where webelos were the color guards as the ourdoor flag ceremony.(This message has been edited by Its Me)

Big_Dog that's good advice. I did happen to know that one, but it is about the limit of my knowledge of Dutch Ovens. I have used my wife's large and thick walled soup cauldron but after having to spend two hours cleaning after our last "experiment" she put the kibosh on using her stewing pot for camp fires.

Thanks

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Our den has done a Geo Cache search and several other dens and our troop has done some as well. It was fun but the elements of GPS were lost most of our wolves. I likely didn't present it as well as I could have. Maybe now that we are Bears we can take another stab at it.

For those that aren't familiar:

Geo Cache is the use of Global Positioning Systems to locate a container of simple treasures hidden by others. Typically a 4"x6"x12" ammo box is hidden off a wooded trail and then its longitude and latitude coordinates are posted on the Internet. For fun the box is located and an article is removed and an article is added to the box. The visitor usually logs their visit both in the box and latter on the internet. The simple treasures are on the order of happy meal toys and cheap drug store trinkets.(This message has been edited by Its Me)

I am on the verge of buying a dutch oven for den and group outings. What size? Let's say 20 people, would 10 quarts do?

I suspect that the lack of gay men at the highest level of BSA is the reason our iniforms lack flair.

Look, Bob White and Eamonn(sp) are not the problem. They are like Rail Road tracks, you know where there are coming from you know where they are going and most likely that haven't been laid in 100 years.

Jason OK is a problem. He is erratic, volatile and prone to lying. Actually the score 2-1 and the good guys are losing.

Dude (BTW I like that name better) your are 27 and from your posts I would say an immature 27 at that. You don't need a scout troop. No, what you need are more personal in nature challenges and adventures. Let's be honest being a stay home dad in Oklahoma is great for your kids and for the bounding and relationship and all that other stuff. But you are afraid that you are missing something. That life is passing you by. Which it is. You feel that if you were in a troop then you could go camping and be outdoors and meet challenges.

I would suggest another path. Pick one that leads to more personal growth and adventure. Find another organization. We will help you look.

Best wishes

Its Me

That will be 5 cents please

I will add to this dreadful topic that may well lead to the demise of Scouting and mankind. My wife has fully converted me. I was a convert of love but now it is by free will.

I only like apple jelly on my PBJ's. Sigh! I am glad its out in the open.

Cool dude, Dude. That sounds like an ambition plan to meet the demands of your son and his buddies. I applaud you for taking on the challenges of starting a youth group organization from scratch. I am sorry that you feel you must leave scouting in order to fulfill your son's fancy for the high adventure. Good luck in your new endeavor.

All the best

Its Me

Give me their email. I have an attachment that I know has a virus in it. I will forward it to them.

Sorry to hear that the GS leadership is so blind.

Bob White wrote: "I believe the vast majority of BSA problems could be solved by Charter Organizations taking their responsibility to select responsible leaders more seriously."

Bob, this seems to be your reoccurring thyme for all the problems of scouting. I find it difficult to believe that all the problems in scouting are related to the first line of volunteers running the programs. Councils, programs and charter organization all have a share in the responsibility to create and run a quality organization. Selecting better "volunteers" is at least an oxymoron and at best pipe dream. Councils, programs and charter organization must adjust and build with the resources they have. Too often you cite this one thyme and find no fault with other parts of the organization.

If I were to tweak scouting I would design programs to better build the bond among the boys and their families. I would also update the uniforms to better pattern them towards the activities most associated with scouting, outdoors and fun. The uniforms should underscore the relationship scouting has with the outdoor. Maybe many years ago the uniform struck a cord with outdoors but the association is now lost. The military uniform is more associated with our current uniforms. Also the uniforms look too formal to wear for crafts and to get dirty. If the uniforms looked more like a modern outdoor hiker (use market research and focus group results) I think it would better lead to the conclusion that scouting is outdoors and fun.

PS: One can easily understand why today's mothers would be reluctant to sign their 8 year old boy up to organization that looks as though it is preparing young boys for military service.

And the Drama Queen Award goes to........Eamon for feigning embitterment and resentment.

Look if you wanted to go then just go. You got caught up in the emotions of some threads where you could not force your strong opinions on other opinionated posters (trolls). Now you want your leaving to resonate as some sort of statement on the lack of civility in the world of bulletin boards. Spare us. Just get back to what you do best, posting opinionated positions on whats wrong with today's scouting.

I doubt that the religion thread holds the interests of youths. Better topics here and youth oriented web sties elsewhere will self govern 99.9% of the youths away from such broad theological discussions. The 0.1% participating are there because they sought out such discussions.

Bob, why would it matter if it were a council event or a unit?

State and federal attorneys are seeking to recover $14 million from the Great Salt Lake Council of the Boy Scouts of America in connection with a forest fire that scorched more than 14,000 acres in the Uinta Mountains.

The U.S. Attorney's Office and Utah Attorney General's Office filed separate lawsuits Tuesday, which allege a group of Boy Scouts caused the East Fork Fire in June 2002 after failing to take proper fire precautions.

The suits, which give one side of a legal argument, are seeking to cover the cost of fighting the fire and rehabilitating the land. Utah law requires those responsible for starting a wildfire to pay the cost of extinguishing it.

Kay Godfrey, information officer for the Great Salt Lake Council, said Tuesday afternoon he had not seen either suit and had no immediate comment.

The lawsuits claim a group of about 20 Scouts did not extinguish a campfire at the East Fork of the Bear Scout Reservation summer camp facility in Summit County when they broke camp on the morning of June 28, 2002, allegedly causing a wildfire that burned state, federal and private land.

The suits also claim the Boy Scouts breached their state lease for the land by violating a fire restriction order. The lease states GLSC-BSA is liable for any fire-suppression damages, the suits said.

Melodie Rydalch, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said the suits were a result of failed negotiation with the Boy Scouts.< "We felt like we have been very patient in trying to work with them and negotiate with them," Rydalch said. "If we don't recover it, the taxpayer is left footing the bill."

The federal suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City, seeks to recover $13,344,320 for firefighting and rehabilitation. The state suit, filed in Summit County, asks for $606,424 in firefighting expenses.

The Scouts were camping to fulfill an overnight camping requirement for a wilderness survival merit badge program. A fire-restriction order, prohibiting all open fires except in designated facilities, was in effect at the time.

According to the suits, the Scouts "started multiple fires in the ignition area. Because the wilderness survival campout had to be conducted away from improved campgrounds in a wilderness area, the fires were started outside improved fire facilities in violation of the fire-restriction order."

The suits allege the 15-year-old counselors who supervised the younger Scouts were aware of the burn restriction but allowed the fires to be built, then left the Scouts and fires unattended overnight. The suits claim the forest fire was spotted about 1:30 p.m. on June 28, after the Scouts had left the area.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595074142,00.html

Way too harsh in my opinion. It was an accident by under supervised 15 year olds. If they had been just a bunch of neighborhood kids or a small church group they would not have been hit with a $14 million suit.

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Canyon Campground is the best for what you need. It has showers and a laundry, plus a good store and its close to many good trails. The campgrounds are good to start and stop but I would hope that backcountry camping is your primary goal.

As for rental equipment, I would look at your hometown and locally before going. Otherwise you are looking at a day or better of fitting and picking just to outfit the troop.

We flew into Salt Lake and drove up. There are several good stores along the way for stocking up. Remember fuel, even cannister fuel cannot be transported in a plane.

Some backcountry campsites have limits on the number of people so chose wisely. Yellowstone is a Park not a National Forest and as such has much tighter rules on people, animals and fires.

Just go. If you have the money and the time by all means go. If I go again I might stop at old faithful but few other "must see" attractions. I would spend as much time as possible in the backcountry.