Eagle007

I guess I just look at things a lot different because I am an Eagle and I know what being one has done for me and what I am giving back. And also that there are the haves and the have nots. There are the ones that have fun and are go getters on the trail to Eagle and those that just want to have fun. There are those who just want to be with their friends. And they do get out of the program what they put into it - for most in my troop it is 110%.

Please explain what you mean by a written warning? In all my years as a scout and scouter I have never heard of this. I am unsure if this is something that only involves your troop or your council.

Nolesrule, my point was this. If a scout does not wish to do what it takes to earn Eagle then so be it. There will be no pressure from any of the scouters but please, just say so. Don't wait until a week or two from your 18th birthday and expect hoops to jumped through by the scouts, scouters and council just for you. As far as wondering why the adults care more about earning Eagle than the scout does, the scouters are there to encourage the scout and to guide him along the trail to Eagle. If he doesn't give a rat's rip about scouting then why waist everyone's time including his own? No,

One thing I just don't understand is a scout's reluctance to complete the Eagle requirements until time has almost lapsed. Case in point. One of our scouts is just dragging his feet! Every week the SM asks for the scouts to give an update on their eagle projects and when it comes to this lad's turn he just says that he doesn't have things ready. If I'm not mistaken, he has already received an extention for whatever reason and he's still dragging his feet. Although it is not the adult scouters responsibility to hold this scout's feet to the fire, I just don't get it. I received my Eagle

Twocubdad, great example. One of my PORs while a scout was as QM. It gave me a healthy respect for equipment accountability and accountability in general especially for a HUGE troop. Our troop is in the process of purchasing 15-20 brand new backpacking tents. When the are delivered they will be marked so that the poles and rainflies will numerically match with the tent that it goes with. Each scout/scout team will be responsible for checking out a tent with the QM and also checking it back in. When the QM goes through each tent to make sure everything is in it and something is miss

Curious, from my standpoint the leader's actions/conviction has obvious consequences which equal his removal in a leadership position in my opinion. Whatever the CO decides to do in the best interest of the organization, read scouts, is up to them. They are ULTIMATELY responsible for that decision and that decision alone. And no, a criminal doesn't deserve to be a leader. They've already made their decisions, be it wrong ones, and the BSA have established guidelines that must be followed. Otherwise let's just let every parolee and probationer to become leaders. I don't think so.

If an adult needs to be that attached at the ear to their cell phone to be checking in every 5 minutes or texting every 5 minutes then in my opinion that adult is a very busy person and should have the where-withall not to go on the trip. The SM should not need to even bring this subject up. Our troop went on a 50-miler canoe trip on the Buffalo River last summer and I can guarantee that every adult brought their cell phone but not all of them were able to get a signal.

nldscout, Thank you.

evmori, Thank you. I could not have said it better.

Regi you obiously misunderstood my posting. I would never allow a scout to go all the way throught the POR time requirement, tell him that he never met the requirements and assign him to another POR. And yes, as an adult that is guiding the troop, I could pull the POR and have him re-assigned. You may do things a little different in your troop but so be it. If a scout is assigned a POR by the SPL and skips out on the POR following his assignment then it is up to the SPL/SM to have a conference with this scout about the responsibilites to the position. In our troop a scout would not be give

That is SUPER!!!!!!!!!!!

The only way I see a POR credit being denied is if the scout is absolutely NOT fulfulling his responsibility, i.e. he is NEVER at meetings nor activities nor does he have a valid explanation of why when confronted with this. "Hey, XYZ, where've been? We've missed you as our patrol leader." "Oh, I just haven't felt like coming the past four to five months." In that situation, I would have had him removed from the POR/had him replaced and explain that in order for him to be given credit that he has to meet the responsibility of that position. Then I would assign him to another six month

I agree about giving a hand up not a hand out. Begin teaching scouts about responsibility and earning their way in order to go to these fun activities otherwise a troop will continue to have a scout(s)/scouter(s) mooching all along the trail.

Just an analogy... Sounds like a preacher who wasn't too happy with what was in the collection plate and sending it back for a second go around. BTW, you're supposed to laugh; that was funny.

DUI is DUI. As a former law enforcement officer and having a three time convicted DUI to come very, very close to running me over head-on in my patrol unit, there is no excuse for a DUI whether it is during a scouting event or otherwise. I have NO SYMPATHY for this leader's actions. If any one of our scouts, scouters, friends or family had been injured/killed by the actions surrounding the DUI itself then I don't believe we would be having this debate as to whether we think, in our opinions, the leader should stay or go.

In my humble opinion this leader's actions have there consequences - being removed as a leader. If my son were one of his scouts, I would feel the need to step in and say either the leader is removed/voluntarily leaves the unit or my son and I do. I'm not judging the man for that was already done in court. I would simply feel very uncomfortable having this man as a leader/example of what my son is supposed to follow.

In my opinion, this has absolutely taken the fun away from the boys. Since when did the boys need to be baby sat by a bunch of grown men. I understand the need for the two deep leadership but come on. When I was coming up in scouting way back when, we had the scoutmaster and that was it. Our troop was PATROL led BY THE BOYS with oversight from the SM. Obviously over the years there has been a need for the two deep leadership but in our troop it was not needed to make sure that the SM was not doing something he ought not do or wrongly accussed thereof. We had a troop of roughly 70 scouts

All joking aside, have you thought about starting a new troop or joining another troop where these things don't happen?