Bob White 20 Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Barry, You make so many incorrect statements regarding what I suggested that I hardly know where to begin. But here is one place we can start Even though you preach a aged based style program Bob, I always felt it was only result of loyalty to the BSA Now I hate to be the one to have to break this to you Barry, But Venturing Crews and Sea Scout Ships are just as much a part of the BSA as Cub Packs and Boy Scouts Troops. You are misrepresnting what I wrote so badly that it would help if you just ask questions and allow me to answer them myself. Your answering for me isn't going to work.(This message has been edited by Bob White) Link to post Share on other sites
Eagledad 2779 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 >>Your answering for me isn't going to work. Link to post Share on other sites
Bob White 20 Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Contacting Barry off-line in hopes of stemming further problems. BW Link to post Share on other sites
FScouter 24 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Thank you gentlemen. Link to post Share on other sites
Eagledad 2779 Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Beautiful Weekend All >>Contacting Barry off-line in hopes of stemming further problems. BW>Thank you gentlemen. Link to post Share on other sites
evmori 11 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Did anyone ever answer the original question posted in this thread or was that one of those rhetorical questions? Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I think it was answered multiple times each one with the various premises of how the troop is set up. If it's adult-led, the SPL's in charge of whatever the adults tell/let him. If it's boy-led troop method, the SPL's in charge of everything. If it's boy-led patrol method, the SPL's in charge of supporting the patrols. Depending on a number of different variables, anyone of these styles could be used appropriately. At the present time, for example, I have only 15 boys in 2 patrols, so I have no need for a SPL. Stosh Link to post Share on other sites
Bob White 20 Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 The Scouting program is adult lead. Troop and Patrol activities are boy lead. If when patrols come together they form a troop, why would two patrols not elect a senior patrol leader? Link to post Share on other sites
evmori 11 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 If when patrols come together they form a troop, why would two patrols not elect a senior patrol leader? Maybe because the boys see no need for it. Ed Mori 1 Peter 4:10 Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 As Ed indicated, the boys saw no need for an SPL. The two highest ranking officers are the two patrol leaders. Anything they need to coordinate between themselves they'll just talk to each other. They did decide that because the patrols were made up of all new scouts that it would be good to have a TG to help them with advancement issues. They felt it would leave them more free time to run the patrols if the TG was available to help. That means the only troop support level person is the TG. If there is a need to have an SPL (i.e. the person to go to the SPL meeting at a camporee) the decided they could alternate doing that job. (Good training experience for the two boys who would someday be considered for that position once the troop takes on a few more patrols.) Stosh Link to post Share on other sites
Bob White 20 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Trained adults lead the Program. The patrol Method and Youth Leadership development are Program Methods that adults use to deliver on the aims and mission of Scouting. Boys lead patrol and troop ACTIVITIES Link to post Share on other sites
Beavah 205 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Empowering boys to be leaders is the core of Scouting. Scouts learn by doing, and what they do is lead their patrols and their troop. The boys themselves develop a troop's program, then take responsibility. - From the Chapter "The Boy-Led Troop", #33009. I dunno. That sounds to me like youth lead the program, eh? In fact, I'm not sure we could find a place in the SM Handbook that suggests otherwise. B Link to post Share on other sites
Bob White 20 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 What would happen to a troop or pack if they were no adults Beavah? Lets take the unit you serve specifically. Link to post Share on other sites
evmori 11 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 What would happen to a troop or pack if they were no adults Beavah? If I may, Beavah. To charter a unit you need at least five adults to sign on as leaders. So if there are no adults, no unit. Thanks Beavah! Ed Mori 1 Peter 4:10 Link to post Share on other sites
Bob White 20 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 So then the only need you see for having adults is to satisfy the charter requirements. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
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