Double Eagle

The price of training can be part of your camp budget. The syllabus covers what is required for camp, you'll get at least two 2" binders of stuff. Many cub day camp directors attend these and its a great way to network with other scouter that have the camp type programs in common. This is not for the usual troop, crew, or pack member. Mostly directors. It is good for 5 years.

Check with your local council office. I'm sure they have it on their calendar. If you live on the border of another council, try them also. Don't let imaginary geographic lines hold you from the training. Many times they are held in January. Good Luck

Sorry for your loss of your parents. I applaud your thoughts. That little strip of cloth and metal are one way to relive the memories of you with them. I feel the same with the loss of my father and how much sctouing we did.

CBW, Welcome. I grew in the thumb area with the blue water council. I visit it from time to time and visit Silver Trails Scout Reservation and D-A Camp near Detroit. Enjoy the forum and don't let strong personalities stop you. Most of the posters are full of experience and their bark is worse than their bite.

You can also rent packs at philmont for about $20. Not a bad deal.

A really hard question. What positive stuff do you do to a scout that turns in a lost item? Not a sock or hat but a knife or money. Lets turn the attention away from the loser to praise the spirit in the finder.

Was it done on a real bridge or just something made up. I think the real works great. I've done it once with a troop campout on the scout side. When the new scout crossed, they got to see the troop, campsite, and got to camp their first night with scouts. Prior prep is required by the troop, new scout, and his parents.(This message has been edited by Double Eagle)

Anyone dealt with a lone scout. It still a term used today and allows a scout in extreme circumstances to persue scouting aims. Anyone seen any or have any experience.

If you want an internal frame it should be at least 4800 cubic inches. If you want external frame: 4000 cubic inches. Be ready to carry at least 2 qts of water daily. An external keeps the pack inches from your body and allows air circulation. Visit backpacker.com gear review, campor web site for prices, and ask your local OA lodge and/or last council philmont crews.

I've been in a large troop that only had the SPL and SM invited to the B&W/cross over. The pack had the event catered and didn't want a large group of boy scouts and their families at the B&W. It set a bad tone like those were the only important troop reps. We like to cross over on a walking bridge with the pack on one side and the troop on the other. Integrates better.

This also tends to have the new scout patrol at different levels. A total cross over helps most. If the cross overs attend the first troop campout after the B&G/crossover, they may be camping in the snow. Not an ideal time for a first campout scout.

Some boys aren't done with their AOL in Feb and need the extra time to make it. I doubt some will be held back from the AOl by running the Webelos 2 program from Sep-May. Extra time is not always bad. A den that grew up together can feel difficulty when crossed at different times.

I favor the seperation of the two. Celebrate Cub style on B&G night. On the cross over, I like to have it in May. They attend the 1st BS campout in May before summer camp. This also allows for a 9 months in 2nd webelos not Sep-Feb. I feel the entire troop should be there for the cross over.

Bob, look back at your first posting here. 6-8 ok and now this last one about 7 needing scouts. Also, the last part of your first posting about 2 scouts is ok? As for lone scouting, look on pg437 in the BS handbook. Even without the patrol method, a scout can still be prepared. It works for the right situation.

BW, how does a "lone scout" use the patrol method. I understand its purpose. I've checked and can't find how a lone scout uses it. Its a good practice/method but not inclusive to all situations. Failure can be a better teacher than success. It seems like it with Eagledad's example.

And you thought I was crazy to combine patrols. See, here's my point. It may not be the "Norman Rockwell" painting of a patrol method, but I bet that scout would have had a better time combining the eagle and beaver patrols for an event, like teaching woodbadge and being a critter. He could have been a "Beagle", at least the Eagle part would have saved him.

Did the patrol of one eat as a patrol?, duty roster, patrol equipment carry, skit or run on? I'm just trying to figure out how one scout could participate in an outing without other patrol support and still have fun, or a sense of belonging.

How well did the patrol of one do on the buddy system, tenting, and interpatrol activity. Hmmm?

For BOB, Pro teams do combine to make teams, Probowl? All-star game? Getting "all stars" together for a good cause is like staffing a district, camp, or training team. I've taken provisional scouts to summer camp and they fit in well. Based on your input, they shouldn't have been allowed? They were part of OUR group. My group is the BSA and everyone's welcome.(This message has been edited by Double Eagle)

Cont. OA trail crews come from all over the country to work and scout together. They bond over the event, and don't cast off their lodge, troop, or council. Many of us scouters have been asked to help with council/section stuff and answered the call. I'm sure your base unit was proud of the involvement and didn't see it as being disloyal.(This message has been edited by Double Eagle)

Cont. Patrols may only be intact until another election. Councils make National Jamboree troops from throughout the council, it works. I would not have a bit of a problem camping or being in a temp patrol with anyone from my woodbadge troop. We would still have loyalty to our critters, but not abandon each other.(This message has been edited by Double Eagle)

The patrol loyalty is good but don't forget they are part of a bigger unit, troop. Each scout has something to gain from others. Sharing info, systems, and experiences with other patrols is not bad. A patrol method of 3 or 4 is a bad thing when it comes to menu, duty roster, equipment responsibility. You're saying it is better to overburden a few for the sake of patrol loyalty?

Nothing is gained in it. What if the scout refuses, do you keep the item. How about public praise for the honesty in the scout finding the item and asking for the owner. Maybe the owner can be the "lost and found" scout on the next activity. Singing is for fun not punishment.

For training purposes, 8 is the number. Size and rank mix depends on what works for your troop. In the meantime, I encourage you to have a "this campout only patrol" made up of campout participants. Also, your committee can have an adult patrol and help role model how a patrol works. An adult patrol should have a flag, name, and yell. You can also make up an adult-type new scouter requirements li(This message has been edited by Double Eagle)

Philmont Rangers leave a crew on the 4th morning by themselves. They travel to a designated pickup point. This is a solo trip. The BSA accepts this. The risk is assessed and measures taken to reduce them. That's a bit far from one scout sleeping in a tent near other tents. Its hard to get some adults to be quiet, let alone teenagers. Privacy has its place and is not a curse or takes away from any program.