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i am now going to have to look up what a admiral in the Portuguese tradition looks like........ I don't mind the knots, etc. What i am referring to is the hiking medals earned 40 years ago, trying to plan hikes where there is a medal so you can put one on yourself, etc. I know it is wrong to judge the book by its cover, but, come on, one more medal and you are gonna need back surgery! bwahahaha

CC good story. I had a similar scout with me in wolf, and had him through webelos and he followed me to the troop a couple years ago where i am now sm. Same situation with the parents, although i think some of the action was a call for attention. I pulled my hair out many times over whether to ask this scout to leave. and received attention from the chair and cm. But i always came back to what one of my den parents said to me "God put you in the position to take this den leader job so you could help this boy" whenever I was about to say enough, I always went back to that conversati

unclear and got called on it. sorry bout that. bye bye--leave the camp. BYE BYE - leave the troop. and, if asked to leave the camp, there would have to be some intervention and proof on the scout's part that the conduct would not happen again in ordeer for him to continue to participate in any similar outings. maybe a little more clear. throwing knives--they all leave the camp. lemonade down the back -- without any other incident, counseling at the camp. with other issues, then that could be leave the camp. throwing lemonade in the face I think is more of a personal atta

Did i see where this kid bullied someone at summer camp. Sounds like a long term problem. But, moving first to the adult problem. Leadership is afraid to act it sounds like. I must say, this kid would not be camping with my troop, and likely i would recommend he be dismissed from the troop. Life is to short to be sued by a parent because of a juvie in the troop. throwing knives. I would immediately think of what else is going to do, and who is he going to throw them at. duct tape.--BYE BYE. and where were the leaders. they are as much at fault. walking on thin ice. We d

summer camp in july. take august off. one weekend in Sept., Oct., Nov., Dec., Jan., Feb., March, April, and may. A total of 10, including summer camp but excluding Philmont crew outings, wilderness survival nights, etc.

to the beavah crowd--right on. and, kudos to Sgt. Hulka If you are worried about uniform pants, you are singing way to much kumbaya for me. Personally, I can't stand the leaders who are dressed like South American generals. They are likely more in it for themselves than for the boys. What kind of medal can I pin on my chest thought instead of what can I do for the boys. My troop, I want the boys and adults to be involved. I prefer them to wear the shirts, but if they forget them due to football, basketball, baseball, etc. I want them there. I would rather have an active scout h

Thanks for the input. I like the idea of assistant QM's, and patrol designated tents. It would certainly help out the QM in the environment we have, and will continue to have with regards troop tents. again, thanks.

I would like some feedback on possible inventory control policies, and see what you have found that works, and what has not. We have about 50 scouts, and as a troop, we supply tents, tarps, cooking equipment, patrol boxes, troop first aid kits, tables, some chairs, etc. Of course all of the boys do not go on each campout. our scouts sleep 2 or 3 to a tent. we have tried checking out tents, and rechecking them in after they have been cleaned, but with 20 tents coming back in at times, it is a very difficult job for the qm to open each tent, check it, record it, etc. The iss

As a sm in my first year in the position, I think there is a lot more to the job than appears on the surface. So, my questions would be geared towards time, organization, structure and logistics. Do the prospective sm's have the ability to be organized. Do they have a support system, i.e. wife, secretary, assistant, etc. to help him facilitate all that is required of the sm. can he lead the asm's, and get them to work for him. Can he delegate responsibility. can he make 70% of the troop activities. does he have an organizational plan for the asm's and the troop a

Just a comment. Make it worthwhile. OA is competing for time, funds and committment with Boy Scouts, sports, job, school, etc. If the OA has nothing to give, it is pushed into the background. OA seems to me to be competing with the troop--for time, resources, etc. Make it a true service organization, like NJHS or NHS, etc. Make it worth something, besides just another troop. If you are going to have the OA meaningful, make service a requirement for continued membership. Currently, it is a nothing, and, in my opinion, as many know, is faulty in many areas, but not to hijack the

Basement--I think everyone agrees that the way your scouts were treated is not appropriate. However, I think you have attempted to hijack the thread, from a discussion of the different value of money in different troops, into a "I hate all well off troops" and "poor troops are better scouts than well off ones" discussion. With regards to how your scouts were treated, I would be embarrased if any of my scouts made such comments, and would sit down and counsel them. Further, It is not the equipment, means of transportation, etc. that makes a scout. It is the learning process and prog

"Some comments that I'd like you to consider. (1) HAZING. Hazing used to be the Big Concern. Do you know of any concrete instance where a person was hazed at an OA function? Having been in lodge leadership, having been involved in ceremonies, I never ran into any during my time as a scout. . . nor did I hear (and I kept an open ear) of any hazing in our lodge. We firmly--youth as well as adults--were opposed to letting hazing happen, since we liked the OA. (2) Parents have fewer kids, and they also have concerns about abuse. . . as well as social pressure to "bond" and spend

i love some of the stories. makes me appreciate my parents even more. This summer we had 14 adults and 30+ scouts. We didn't have too many problems. We did have some adults follow groups around, but the camp wanted one adult from each troop to be with their trail to eagle classes, so it worked well. We did get some "hovering" but nothing like you all talk about. all in all it worked well. The homesick stuff is the main issue. We have a 13 yr old that gets homesick bad still. His folks aren't there (I think for that reason) but he comes from a very close family, so I chalk it up to tha

first, all of my parents who attend campouts are ypt trained. And, all have submitted an application. It is required at bsa camps and summer camps around here. Not just active asm's etc., but all of them. I have asked them to take the training, and they have done so. and, why is there a difference if an adult is on one side of a camp site, or the other. We seldom camp at bsa facilities. Therefore we are most often in smaller state or federal campsites, with limited area. and, what would be different from summer camp, when you are placed in a small confine. I am the first

intimidation boy scout man with all of his proud medals looking like a south american general says to mom, we ask you not go inside. You can wait out here. We want you to respect our secrets. (or something like that) All high and mighty that this is the way things are done. I think mom is intimidated. she says, oh, I guess i really am not allowed. So yes, I agree with the above poster, any time you request someone to not attend, when they are allowed, is in effect telling them not to. What is the real difference between we would really like it if you did not go in. you need t

sorry bout that. don't know how the triple post happened.

I never discourage any parental involvement. If they want to camp, they camp. If they want to go to summer camp, they go. No questions asked. The boys set up their tents where they want. If a parent sees the adults on the left and boys on the right, and sets up on the right, that is his deal. It hasn't happened yet. "REQUESTING that they not exercise that right for a specific activity" So, you go to a parent and tell them that while they are allowed, you would prefer them not to attend. Sounds kind of like intimidation. or more so, like we don't want you here. Thjere is

I never discourage any parental involvement. If they want to camp, they camp. If they want to go to summer camp, they go. No questions asked. The boys set up their tents where they want. If a parent sees the adults on the left and boys on the right, and sets up on the right, that is his deal. It hasn't happened yet. "REQUESTING that they not exercise that right for a specific activity" So, you go to a parent and tell them that while they are allowed, you would prefer them not to attend. Sounds kind of like intimidation. or more so, like we don't want you here. Thjere is

I never discourage any parental involvement. If they want to camp, they camp. If they want to go to summer camp, they go. No questions asked. The boys set up their tents where they want. If a parent sees the adults on the left and boys on the right, and sets up on the right, that is his deal. It hasn't happened yet. "REQUESTING that they not exercise that right for a specific activity" So, you go to a parent and tell them that while they are allowed, you would prefer them not to attend. Sounds kind of like intimidation. or more so, like we don't want you here. Thjere is

"Papadaddy - What's your definition of "we've," "established," and "false"? As BDPT00 wrote in the Christian objection thread: "You're referring to some religions, some lodges, and some parents. That's the problem. It's always about somebody, somewhere. ... Those making the issue out of nothing seem to think there is ... somewhere by somebody, but it's always somwwhere else by somebody else." There is nothing in the practice, structure, goals or ceremonies of the Order that interferes with any member's religious obligation. " Huh? This post simply affirms the notion that t

dead horse dead horse dead horse. In fact it is already at the glue factory. i find it absolutely amazing, and extremely short sighted and selfish that any responsible adult would discourage an adult parent or guardian from attending. Have any of you even picked up a newspaper or looked at cnn online in the last several weeks? to those of you who discourage parents from attending, why would you open yourself up to allegations of impropriety. So yes, short sighted and selfish. Mom comes out and says something happened to her child, she was "discouraged" to attend, and your n

we have a debit/credit card. treasurer holds it, and authorizes use for online purchases, campsite reservations, etc.

correct me if I am wrong, but Goodman was also a Mason upon which the OA was or may have been patterned. As the Mason's have had religions objections lodged against it, it is not a far step to associate the same objections to the OA.

Very interesting. First, I agree with Beavah And, when my son was elected, I researched, and then researched some more. I read the ceremonies for the different levels. I read the catholic priest's complaints about the organization. Quite honestly, if you have not googled this to read his comments, you should. They make sense to me. But, I also believe Beavah's comments about a boy's ability to withstand such pressures to change his beliefs are correct. I see the Masonic influence on the OA, and the "desire" or "goal" to worship "something" but not God. Of course, mos

Instead of Big Bend, look at Buffalo Trails Scout ranch. It is a bit further from the border, and has trails that rival, if not more advanced than Philmont. (never done Philmont, but that is what I am told) They also have horse programs, throughout the year, etc. and are about an hour away from the McDonald Observatory.