caddmommy

PACK 79's version of the "WILD CHEESE MOOSE HUNT"

Blue is body jesters. Red is the song.

Have everyone standup. Be enthusiastic!

Stretch like you just got out of bed.

I'm going on aWILD CHEESE MOOSE HUNT!

I'm not afaird!

I got a gun! (Raise hands as if holding a rifle)

March in place.

Oh NO!

A river!

Can't go around the river! (Extend arm as if going around something)

Can't go over the river! (Raise hand in an over motion)

I'll have to go through the river! (Extend arm forward)

Swim river. Shake yourselve dry when you get to the other side.

I'm going on aWILD CHEESE MOOSE HUNT!

I'm not afaird!

I got a gun! (Raise hands as if holding a rifle)

March in place.

Oh NO!

A mountain!

Can't go around the mountain! (Extend arm as if going around something)

Can't go through the mountain! (Extend arm forward)

I'll have to go over the mountain! (Raise hand in an over motion)

Climb mountain slow. At top, look around (hands over eyes). Go down the other side really fast.

I'm going on aWILD CHEESE MOOSE HUNT!

I'm not afaird!

I got a gun! (Raise hands as if holding a rifle)

March in place.

Oh NO!

A swamp!

Can't go over the swamp! (Raise hand in an over motion)

DON"T want to go through the swamp! (Shake head no)

I'll have to go aroundthe swamp! (Extend arm as if going around something)

March as if walking around something, kill mosquitoes as you go.

I'm going on aWILD CHEESE MOOSE HUNT!

I'm not afaird!

I got my gun! (Raise hands as if holding a rifle)

March in place.

Oh. Acave!

A big cave. (Hestant)

I'll going into thecave. (Hestant.Walk slowly with gun in hand)

Something breathing funny!

Something fuzzy and breathing funny!

Aaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!!! (Toss gun in air)

AWILD CHEESE MOOSE !

Run out of the cave. go around the swamp. climb the mountan (double time on the way down). Swim the river. Run and hide under the bed.

I recently had a very successful campfire for our pack inwhich I did two repeat after me songs. I'm looking for some more to do.

The first one I did was the Tarzan, Cheetah, Jane

one that I learn from my son's fellow crew members. Since, they use it as a work and hiking song, I added little body jesters to make it more fun for the boys.

I then did the "Wild Cheese Moose Hunt". I added little things like shaking the water from the river out of their hair, climbing the mountain really slow and going down the other side really fast, and killing mosquitos as we went around the swamp. I got rave reviews, even the older brothers of the scouts, who always think my attempts at living up the pack meetings are "dorky", came over to tell me that, they really liked my songs.

He got this far and now the SM is saying "slow down". Why did that not happen when the SM signed off on the Eagle project, and the Advancement chair should have been clued in by all the MBs. The fire should have been contained when it got started, not after it burnt down the building.

I think you will get lots of info on how this is not right and that the SM has no right to deny the conference if every thing is done. (there's a whole thread on thr pros and cons of young eagles current active.) The knowledgeable people on this forum will guide you best,

but I would be a "pushy" mom and complain to council.

The background check will bring to light any legal miss deeds. Hopefully!

But does checking out the references of the applicant really work?

Most people put down close friends or relatives with different names for references. It seems you really dont get any negative comments.

You might get some indication of trouble from the employer, but companies like their employees to volunteer and rarely give a bad report.

If they mention scouting experience and you know the unit, do people really follow up to see if there were any problems? Is it easy to do so? In council, maybe yes, out of council?

The reason I bring this up is this: I think there should be a council resource for leader information, good and bad. A work file you might say. Possibly a complaint/praise department. When leadership has changed, I think a short form should be filled out to as why this leader is leaving his/her position. This would give the committee a chance to let other know of any problems. If a SM has been asked to step down and leave the troop, shouldnt his new troop know this before the problems in the new troop?

greg78

It sounds to me that your CO doesn't seem all that interested in what goes on with the troop and you and the others would be better off going elsewhere. If so many parents have a problem with a leader, the CO should do more than what it did to resolve the problem. If the boys are not repecting their leaders, then the program is not working, no matter how trained the leader may be.

Maybe the boys should start visiting the other troops in the area now. If they find one they like, see when they go to camp. If it's the same camp, you may be able to switch before the end of summer.

If the new troop goes a different week, talk to the camp director. Chances are, if there is room, he would be willing to switch weeks for you. This would give the boys a better chance to get to know each other.

Our SM does not say "my troop". The boys plan and run the meetings.

They hold there own at scout events. They evaluate their mistakes and aim to improve their skills. They work together to achieve their goals. I don't agree that they are not getting a scouting program. They are getting a very good scouting program. I will talk to him about the choosing of the leadership, but I will not fight with him (at least not at this time) about it. Some of us parents are still shell shocked from the previous SM's snoozefest.

I will, though, get the committee members into the BORs.

hummm.....

I know the boys are suppose to pick the leaders but in our troop the SM does and it seems to be working pretty good. All the boys who need positions for advancement are covered and there is nolonger a popular boys group who had all the high postions. Under the old SM leadership, my son was in this Troop a year before anyone relized he needed a position for advancement to Star which only came after the SM change. I cannot say that I am pleased with all the decisions he has made, but our troop is doing great. We generally have 95 to 100% participation in weekly meetings and scouting trips. Our CO rep backs him 100%. The other adult leaders have no issues that I know of with his leadership. The boys respect him. We accept him as being in charge and I think the Scouting Prinicples are being taught to the boys. The older ones are becoming fine leaders and enjoy working with the younger and new scouts.

He does, though, have his ASM and himself do the BOR.(HE does not do BORs for his son). I am CC but I have never been asked to join the BOR and neither has any other female committee members. I think I will look into this, since, I would like to be a part of the BOR process.

A musically history lessen!

I love this thread!

Found this thread after I made my post for interesting patrol names.

Do the Dew?

Some things should just not be.......

I would like to know some of the more interesting patrol names and how people feel about the non-traditional ones.

I have a problem with the newer ones. My son is the patrol leader for the DOUGHNUTS. DOUHNUTS! (Which is at the top of the food list on every campout.) I could not believe that there was actually a patrol patch made up already.

I have also seen a HAZMAT patrol.

we have a red and tan. i hearb some troops don't have anything but regular court of honors.

Maybe you should also consider getting a committee chair. He/she really didn't do its job. If teh trouble maker wasn't suitable because of his actions for the cubmaster position, why would your CC think he was suitable for the WL position.

you have so much more contact and influence with the boys in the WL position than at the CM position.

In regard to teh Webelos uniform from blue to tan.

My boys move up to 2nd year webelos this week but I really don't like the mixing of the colors in the den. I plan to talk to my parents. Either we stay all blue or we go all tan.

When I joined my current pack, the numbers were very low. Once, I got a few more adults involved in leadership, we decided to "get the word out" that our pack existed and started a spring recruiting session. It has worked wonders in adding boys to the pack and getting additional leadership. Last year, we recruitted only the kindergarten boys and this year we had two tiger dens, of which, the leaders came from the spring roundup.

"Fortunately, my God doesn't require me to sit inside of a stuffy building to be "reverent." In fact, the last time that we talked about the issue, he was of the opinion that he's much happier if we're outside marveling at his creation instead of sitting inside of a building singing off-key and listening to someone rant about sin."

Interesting. Most religions that I am familiar with, expect you at least spend some time during the week coming together to praise and glorify together and share in his goodness as one. The marveling at his creation is for the rest of the time so that you never leave him "in the buiding".

And as for "singing off-key", He should expect that of us after all, he did give out the voices.

Some more info;

Basically, there are leaders who are not happy with the council. They feel that the adjorning council has better services and more to offer. It's base of operations is also considered closer that our own council's offices. Some of those leaders are looking into moving the pack to the adjorning council. I am not one of them. The council is not perfect but which one really is. I'm just trying to gather info I need to combat the change, when/if the time comes, to give the leaders and parents a clear view of their choices.

I have given lots of time and effort in helping to building up our pack from the disastrous effects of the last pack split (which was due to problems in the committee leadership and not because of any dissatisfaction with the CO). I have decided not to let that effort go down in vane.

Here is some interesting side notes to this problem:

The school which we recruit from, is actually, in the adjorning council's "territory" but the majority of the school district is in our current council's "territory".

When our pack started 25 years ago, they recruited from two schools. The first one being local to the CO and the second one being "just down the road" but over the county line. The nearest pack was in a different school district, and since some of the local children were sent to the second school, the pack included it in its recruiting "territory". After the split, both packs recruitted from both schools but things got lobsided and all of the first school went to the new pack and most of the second school also. We finally got things so that the "new" pack has the first school and we have the second school.

The leaders who are not happy with the council mostly reside within the adjorning council's "territory".

The scout children of the parents who are members of our CO are in the "new" pack. (which is not charted by our CO)

I have sveral questions on this same line of questioning. My pack is not happy with our council but has no problems with our CO.

Q#1 - Can the committee vote to leave and take everything and everyone away from the CO and form a new pack in a adjoining council?

i understand that a new pack could be formed. Our pack has been around for 25+ years and I don't think our CO would like to lose the pack. A split happen several years ago and we have finally gotten our numbers up and are a healthy pack again.

I was not around for the that split, so i don't know what happen with equipment and funds. There was though, problems with territory for roundups since the original pack did requiting in two local schools. We finally got the two packs requiting from different schools.

Q#2 - What happens to the equipment/funds if there is a split?

Can the committee vote to take things with them when/if they leave?

I believe if wthe pack folds, that everything becomes the property of the CO.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE ALL THIS WENT DOWN BUT I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT THE TROOP COMMITTEE PUT THE SCOUTMASTER AND SOME OF THE BOYS ON NOTICE BECAUSE THEY OBJECTED TO THE ASM. I WOULD WANT OUT OF THIS TROOP!

I have no problems with the age group for cub scouting or when they are able to become boy scouts. my problem is the ending age for boy scouts and venturing crews.

My son has joined a venture crew that supports his counsels scout camp. I have no problem with the crew or anything. A problem has arose concerning parental involvement which, I feel, is do to the age requirements. (he does both troop and crew activities)

I would like to see the age of "adulthood" the same for boy scouts and crew members.

As I understand it, a boy scout is considered an adult at age 18. He is no longer able to advance and if he wishes to continue in the troop he becomes a junior scoutmaster. He is under the rules that applies to adults and is considered an adult in troop activities.

Crew members are not considered adults unto 21. So on crew activities, anyone between 18-21 need to have "adult supervision". Most parents do not want to get envolved with the crew because their children are "old enough" to be on their own. Granted, there are less adults needed for these events but still why the age difference.

I am for the 18 age for crew and them have junior leaders until 21.

I was once told, that the only division in scouting that makes money, is the merchandizing division. After the headache I just got reading this tread about hats, I beleive it more then I ever did before.

I for one believe in Pack hats. Why you must buy a new hat each year is beyond me.

I have given this thread some more thought.

Requirements for advancement after first class include MBs. Are there really boys out there not attending meetings and doing MBs?

It doesn't seem likely to me.

Also, how are boys getting there books signed off if they are not active and coming to meetings?

It's not so much the MB being started in another counsel as they were started while in another troop in another counsel.

I NEED SOME INSIGHT HERE.

I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT BLUE CARDS AND MERIT BADGES.

MY SON TRANSFERRED INTO A TROOP BEFORE ALL HIS PARTIALS WERE COMPLETED. WHEN TALKING TO THE ADVANCEMENT COORDINATOR OF HIS NEW TROOP, I WAS TOLD THAT FOR A MERIT BADGE BLUE CARD TO BE CURRENT, THE SCOUT MUST WORK ON IT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR.

MERIT BADGE COUNSLORS AT CAMP HAVE TOLD ME (AND THIS IS WHAT I ALWAYS THOUGHT) THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG OR WHEN HE WORKS ON IT. HE HAS UNTIL HIS 18TH BIRTHDAY TO COMPLETE ANY MERIT BADGE. THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS IF THE BADGE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE BEFORE HE COMPLETES IT.

ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PARTIAL ARE STARTED IN ANOTHER TROOP FROM A DIFFERENT COUNSEL.

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP.

MORE AND MORE, I AM HAPPY WITH THE TROOP MY SONS ARE MEMBERS OF.

I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEN AGAIN MOSTLY ALL THE BOYS WE HAVE ARE ALL ACTIVE. YEAH, THEY MISS MEETINGS, DON'T MAKE ALL THE TRIPS, PLAY SPORTS OR DRAMA BUT THEY MAKE THE EVENTS THEY CAN. THEY MAKE THE MEETINGS THEY CAN. THE ONLY RULE I CAN THINK OF FOR ATTENDANCE IS THIS: IF YOUR TWO OR MORE MONTHS BEHIND IN DUES, YOU CANNOT ATTEND ANY TROOP EVENTS.

IF THERE WAS A ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT, MY OLDEST WOULD NOT MEET THEM. HE'S AWAY ALL SUMMER WORKING SCOUT CAMP. HE MISSED QUITE ALOT THIS YEAR BECAUSE DRAMA MEET THE SAME NIGHT, BUT WHEN HE WAS THERE, HE WORKED WITH THE YOUNGER BOYS AS PART OF HIS POSITION AS TROOP GUIDE.

TO ME, TO ADVANCE AFTER FIRST CLASS YOU MUST SHOW LEADERSHIP AND YOU CANNOT SHOW LEADERSHIP IF YOU ARE NOT ACTIVE.

i think sewing should be a requirement for advancement not just as a merit badge. why should us mothers sew their patches and badges?