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And Mrs. Lauria's firm has how many attorney's that can attend to matters on Friday in her absence?

Thanks! Making sure it wasn't my machine!

Is there court today? I'm not getting anything when I log in

I did not find the insurers witnesses to be very likeable - or was it just me?

I am not fast, but I am slow! How does the article about a settlement with the RCCAHC that states they will negotiate a settlement and a previous statement that the RCC would be paid 1.5 mil for their legal fees and not have to pay in dovetail here? I need some explaining!

I've had to get printed for an adoption background check, another youth-serving organization, being a CASA guardian ad litem, and for my State of Texas counseling license. I think a thumb print was taken for my driver's license. This past December, my family and I went to Disney/Universal. Universal scanned a finger to expedite re-entry into the park. After all my previous scans, their technology said I had no fingers! I was allowed to use my driver's license!

The nine TCC members receive no compensation and would probably like to move along with their personal lives. They are strictly volunteers.

The TCC is only paid while the TCC "exists." Each attorney is paid their usual hourly rate and the firm has stated that they will give 10% of their earnings to the trust for the survivors.

I was watching court this morning but got there after Lauria started her address to the court. For all the hooplah, I thought I was going to see a multipage email instead of a copy of a Tweet!

I'll have to go check that out! The debtors made it sound like it was pages and pages long and scathingly derogatory.

Does anyone have a copy of the nasty email that the TCC is being accused of sending out on behalf of Kosnoff? How bad is it really?

Well said, @MattR. I understand rules. I interpret them for a living with those that are mainly in their "extended adolescence" known as college. I have to muck around in the gray a lot. Did you violate the alcohol policy by having one beer on campus? Yep! Is it worse if you had thee 18-packs plus four bottles of liquor? Yep! The second scenario gets a more stern penalty.  My hope is that this young man in question does do right by his child and the mother. Hopefully, his final SM conference included some good parenting advice...and perhaps the Family Life Merit Badge needs to add a requirement to change at least one dirty diaper for the experience!

I'm interested in how all of you think of 18-20-year-olds. We now have to register them as adults and refer to them as "adult participants" in Venturing and Sea Scouting. I found these definitions in the BSA Rules and Regulations definitions:

Adult. Unless otherwise stated, the word “adult” refers to a person 18 years of age or older.

Scouter. A Scouter is an adult who registers with the Boy Scouts of America at the local, area, region, or national level; fulfills the obligations of his or her position; obligates himself or herself to subscribe to the Scout Oath; and agrees to abide by the Rules and Regulations, policies, and other guidelines of the Boy Scouts of America.

Leader. A leader is an adult Scouter registered in a position of leadership or responsibility at the council, district, or unit level.

Member. Unless otherwise stated, a “member” is a youth member and, in context, an adult program participant.

Youth. “Youth” generally means a youth member or adult program participant registered in a program.

Youth Leader. A youth leader is a youth member or adult program participant occupying a position of responsibility for leadership development purposes as a youth as opposed to as an adult leader.

Adult Program Participant. An adult program participant is any person 18 years of age or older who registers to participate in a program in which youth members are also eligible to participate; obligates himself or herself to regularly attend the meetings; fulfills a member’s obligation to the unit; subscribes to the Scout Oath; and participates in an appropriate program based on the current guidelines of the Boy Scouts of America. Adult program participants are subject to the same guidelines as adult Scouters when required by policies and guidelines

Then when you get to the YPT page at scouting.org, you see:

25 minutes ago, an_old_DC said:

In my experience, they can’t do that very well. That’s why they need to strong arm council and district volunteers to do FOS presentations and beg parents for money.

Anyway, if the Lodge Chief, Chapter Chief and Chief of Ceremonies want to use a group chat or some such to make sure the camp is ready for a Fellowship and all of the Principals have their gear, know their speaking parts and commit to being at camp on time, it’s ok with me and I don’t need to know how they get this done as long as it gets done.

if my Crew Pres, VP, and VP of Activities do the same thing to prepare for an event or outing, good for them. I believe that is the leadership and initiative we are tasked with helping them develop.

If your Crew officers are over and under 18 and are communicating privately about an outing or event, all will be well. But when the communication becomes personal or goes off track, those over 18 will be held to the adult standard of no one-on-one communication. I'm still trying to figure out how Crews and Ships are supposed to develop friendships among themselves when an 18-20-year-old can be defined so many ways in the definitions used by the BSA in their official document but use the term "adult leader" in YPT.  It is no longer worth the hassle if a youth has to choose between their friends and Scouting.

Better A, and if not then B! These two incidents just struck me as odd. By explanation, that they were treated so differently in the same Council. Don’t we have something about morally straight in the Oath? I guess if we are going to be accepting of everyone, then anything goes now. 

Am I just getting old and grumpy or does anyone else have a problem with a young man earning Eagle Scout that has a pregnant girlfriend? Would that mean when the young women hit the troops, it would be okay for a female Eagle candidate to be pregnant at her BOR? And this is not a case of “oops, we just found out!” This is pasted all over his Facebook page. I’ve seen an SM refuse to sign off on a young man because he was caught in a car where marijuana was found and he wasn’t even smoking it and the charges were dropped. It seems our values come and go at a whim. Thoughts?

I realize this discussion so far has been about troops, but this is a big concern for Crews and Ships where the age range is 14-20. Then you get into no one-on-one communication between an adult and youth in OR out of Scouting! 

@NJCubScouter, this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion! The Council board members have been told not to talk to the Scout or the parent and has removed the parent from all the Council managed Facebook pages. Scout and parent are quietly working on his appeal. 

@RememberSchiff: Still looking for the attorney that will take the case. I appreciate the 2 cents!

Attornies have said the BSA, as a private organization, can do as they damn well please!

We have no field director or DE. The SE has quoted law to me and policy to me that is inaccurate. I know bc he’s now in my “day job” territory. Tooth and nail doesn’t begin to describe the coming actions. 

It is being recommended he be black listed and he can appeal. That is in the works. This is like throwing darts in the dark when you don’t know the process. 

I have a hound in the hunt, and all those peeps are supporting the Scout. 

This is actually a situation where a youth is being removed and there was no investigation. Trust me when I say I know there was no investigation. Thanks for the input!  But I’m not trying to remove anyone!

This is apparently a document available now only to Scout Executives! And ours isn’t going to help anyone with anything.