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  1. 10 minutes ago, Hawkwin said:

    Have you always avoided the World Jambo based on the same concern of seeing girls there?

    Actually, yes. My son attended National Jamboree last year, but he is avoiding the upcoming World Jamboree despite recruitment efforts from our council. The flavor of the two events is significantly different (only partly because of girls).

     

     


  2. 1 minute ago, ianwilkins said:

    And the UK is growing, and has also been co-ed for a fair while too.

    More accurately, the UK is recovering after dramatic membership losses. Nowhere near previous membership levels.

     

    3 minutes ago, ianwilkins said:

    We can all pick and choose stats to lean on.

    Yes,  you can.


  3. 4 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

    If they are scouts same as you and your scouts, where is the unity and brotherhood in your statement above?

    If your desire is to strip me of the World Crest for supporting single-gender Scouting, you will get your wish soon enough. 2018 will be my last year as a registered Scouter. After BSA is rid of folks like me, there will be no obstacles for your utopia of unity.


  4. 9 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

    or just be pushed to the side.  Those that want to experience a single gender type program for boys, not sure where you can go.

    This is exactly what I see happening. If you want a to maintain a single-gender boy troop, the available program options for summer camp, camporee, merit badge midways, etc will just push you aside. The girls will prevail and the boys will walk. That is essentially what happened with coed Scouting in Canada. Scouts Canada is now primarily a girl movement and just a shadow of its former self after dramatic membership losses.


  5. 5 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

    The World Crest is a symbol of unity and world brotherhood. If you don't believe that and you are free to do so, then don't wear the World Crest on your uniform.

    So if I don't embrace coed camping, I am unworthy to wear the World Crest? Please clarify.


  6. 15 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

    I do not believe Scouters involved with 'Linked Troops" will allow their "boys troop" and "girls troop" to be placed in separate campsites. Further I do not believe most councils have the financial resources to hold two, separate single gender summer camps at the same time.

    So in other words, the whole BSA4G structure is unworkable. I agree that BSA4G is a very bad idea, and I have opposed it from the beginning.


  7. 21 minutes ago, qwazse said:

    Would you take them to a reservation where the boys' troops were assigned a camp on one side of a 250 acre lake, and the BSA4G troops were assigned a camp on the other side of the lake? Camps would have different, largely independent, staff (from director on down - same rangers though). Some facilities (Cope, Shotgun) would be on a red line that's about 400 yards wide.

    Just picking your brain for the sake of certain council camping committees who will try to be proactive about this kind of thing. If such an idea is a non-starter, they hopefully won't waste much time it and hustle back to the drawing board.

    I wouldn't want our boys sharing merit badge classes, evening campfires, flag ceremonies, or dining hall times with girl troops. I seek to continue the same summer camp experience our boys have enjoyed before these announcements.


  8. 32 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

    With the exception of the LDS units, I have no idea what the other 2 COs will be doing.

    LDS already has rules against co-ed camping for youth activities. I doubt an exception will be made to allow co-ed summer camps for LDS Scout troops. If BSA summer camps go co-ed, that could spell the end of LDS Scouting IMHO.


  9. On 3/6/2018 at 1:03 PM, John-in-KC said:

    One  chartered partner, one  committee, in theory two scoutmasters and two sets of assistant scoutmaster's

    Two youth structures-- PLC, patrols, etc. Again, in theory

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    We do this already.

    Two small LDS troops share one committee. The troops meet separately, have separate SMs and ASMs, separate youth structures, separate weekly troop meetings, separate campouts, separate summer camps.

    The goal is not to run a combined Scouting program for the two troops - we simply want to cut down on the administrative overhead by joining forces for staffing adult positions on the committee. It works (mostly).


  10. This 16 year-old Scout has the maturity. He could perform well as Troop Guide if he is willing to apply himself. Last night he accepted the TG POR with specific tasks and milestones. He is good at telling people what they want to hear. We’ll see how he actually performs.

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  11. 3 hours ago, ParkMan said:

    If I read this right, the dad thinks earning Eagle is good for him. I'm going to infer that the dad has latched onto the college application argument to motivate his son.  It appears to have had a little success, but not a lot.

    If I'm right, you and the dad are walking a fine line. Push the boy too much and he gives up.

    I think you support the boy here.  Will he get more out of Scouting if he gives up, or if he even puts a tiny effort?

    You have grasped the situation well. And you mirror my thoughts on this. It is a fine line. Support the boy, but still require genuine efforts from him so that whatever outcome has meaning in the end.


  12. 6 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

    You may chime in at Family.Scouting@Scouting.org

    That’s a good one. National does not care what I or anyone else thinks about this topic. Why would they suddenly start now? They will ram through whatever stupid decision they come up with, and then claim everyone is asking for this and they are just responding to popular demand. They will lie and manipulate as they always have.

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  13. 1 hour ago, HelpfulTracks said:

    Requirements are requirements. There isn't a graduated level to them.

    Quality is not binary.

    You ask me to paint your house.

    I can slap one coat on there in an afternoon without any prep work, leaving splatters and drips everywhere.

    Or I can take several days to power wash, scrape, fill, sand, tape, prime, plus two top coats.


  14. 5 hours ago, JustAScoutMom said:

    Doesn't the scout have to be a member while completing MB and/or eagle project?  If he has been inactive for three years....was he on the roster?  Doesn't he need approval by the SM before he starts a MB? Our SM is the only one that hands out the blue cards.

    Yes - this boy has remained on the troop roster, but he has rarely meetings or activities. He does get a signed blue card from me for merit badge work. As I said, he does the minimum required.


  15. 9 minutes ago, qwazse said:

    But suppose after 6+ camping nights, one boy doesn't change his behavior, and gets the "go big or go home" speech, and the kid opts for home ... he will at least have amassed a few nights camping where some older boys took the time to march across a field and hold open the door for him to the promise of scouting. He and Dad leave with a few skills that they can build on with their family. And, his memories of camp might draw him back in a year or two.

    I keep wondering to myself how such situations of daddy dependency will be viewed in this new era of "Family Scouting" (there seem to be varying opinions on what exactly that term means).

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