Eagle1993

This appears, at least to me, similar to the debates over adding girls, gay scouts and gay youth. I generally agree that for the most part, few if any will be swayed either way by the back and forth. Hopefully it can be done in a scoutlike manner so at minimum you have the benefit of learning where each side is coming from. This is a tough debate. There is simply not enough money to go around. BSA even if liquidated including all of its LCs could not come close to what is really needed to pay victims. In addition, many of us want BSA to survive and we know BSA was not in great shape

I think this is true for all attorneys involved, except the coalition attorneys. Perhaps they are, but I'm not fully convinced.

Let's let the forum member respond. I think there is enough room for many views regarding this topic.

This document has a pretty good way to help determine "fairness" by council. Exhibit G is the TCC's summary and Exhibit G-1 is BSA's response. Clearly fair is a personal opinion, but the two sides make arguments in this document. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/2e1a8c44-7812-46a0-8a93-5aa5621dc7b2_6431.pdf

On a personal note, my Troop's summer camp was sold due to this bankruptcy. At the closing ceremony grown men cried as it was the last summer camp closing they would be attending at that camp. I have ashes from that camp fire in my office. So, it is painful in many cases as this is being repeated nationwide. I know many councils seemed to have lack of money going into this bankruptcy. That said, when I see the actual council finances on display, by blood starts to boil. It is clear that many councils sat on huge endowments/investments, claimed they were poor and sold camps. So, to

BSA is putting the future of BSA in this 1 basket. When a law firm of 10 lawyers represents 16,000 claimants ... I expect the news can play a bigger role than you think. But perhaps it is correct that the offer by many LCs is not defendable so why try.

A bit more about LC comments to the media. Going back to our 10 largest councils. Articles in these states will be rough (you can see Cascade Pacific has already appeared in an article, and they were the best out of our top 10 in terms of contributions. It is tough to argue that claimants who will get $9,000 for being raped as a child is a fair payout when Sam Huston, our largest council, is keeping 95.6% of their assets. The biggest issue will be local articles in grey states. I expect councils in the grey states contributed less and the claimants are receiving less i

Probably depends on the LC. New York can go with #1. Sam Huston #3. But expect Sam Huston to get killed in the press (if an article appears in Texas).

Then they are about to be killed in the press. They talked before, all the time. Each said the same thing… National is going bankrupt there is no impact to councils or units. Now no comment? They need to defend their settlement offers. If they cannot, then the articles are fair and I think the vote is more likely to fail. Seeing article after article in local TV and newspapers talking about low settlements, local councils offering low percentages of their net assets and victims talking how this is negatively impacting then with no counter from LCs will impact the votes of claiman

I think most adults will be in the same boat. I would expect self declared vaccinations would work hopefully. I know some clearances require serology testing to prove vaccinations but that seems a bit much here.

I understand your point and it is valid, but the failure is on the LCs. I actually don’t have an issue with Kosnoff in these articles. My issue is why did the LCs refuse to comment? The Seattle times reached out. That would have been a great opportunity to say look what we do for kids today and any further payment would severely hurt our ability to function. No comment allows articles to be one sided. BSA better have their LC PR groups better prepared in the future. Below was in the Times article The Chief Seattle Council, Pacific Harbors Council and Moun

I guess I ask how are they skewed? Do you mean he is pointing out the low end of the settlements? The numbers published are correct and are similar to other news stories. (In fact, the Seattle times shows a higher number for rape in a close state than what BSA is claiming. In reality, the pay outs are historically low and many councils are keeping the vast majority of their assets, which is why so many claimants are upset with this plan and taking this message to the media. Here are the numbers in the Seattle Times article A rape claim against the Boy Scouts might entitle a

Sounds like we should be watching for updates on/in the Wall Street Journal, Fox News and Hearst owned media based on his Twitter updates.

Is anyone still working with Scoutlander? I have an issue I would like them to fix and have not been able to get a response. My Troop doesn't use Scoutlander and the public contact info seems to not go anywhere.

My understanding is on the asset side, everything is sold for the benefit of or transferred directly to creditors. Every HA camp, all intellectual property/trademarks, etc. Everything. So, Eagle Scout rank ... I expect that would be sold. Possible buyers (Trail Life, GSUSA, some new WOSM org, private company that would want to profit from it somehow). Philmont would be sold. Yes, a tycoon could come up with $70M and buy it and save it for scouting (hopefully). I believe liquidation will not occur, even if the vote fails. The tone and actions of the judge makes me think this is

Since he made it public, if you are interested: text him at 425-830-8201 with "yes" and your phone number/email address You do not have to be a AIS client; however, if you are not you should clear this with your lawyer first.

Kosnoff is reporting a slew of texts and has a media coordinator. It appears they will be working on going out to local media (and in some cases national).

Per Maria Chutchian (Reuters Bankruptcy reporter) Judge Silverstein said that individual claimants will have the opportunity to raise any concerns they have about the plan during a January trial if they would like.

Or 1,920 trees ... but I digress.

Here is another https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/09/07/boy-scout-leader-ronald-rowcliffe-has-faced-child-sex-abuse-allegations-before/2245186001/ This one is interesting as the man was charged in court in 2000 over abusing teenagers but got a plea deal. That was an a leader of an Explorer unit ... so how could the BSA let him still be a leader in 2018/2019? This man pled guilty in 2020 to CSA at a scout camp. So ... multiple red flags over several years including one within the BSA. I think this is where there are questions if BSA can really h

I think this is difficult to answer as many victims may not indicate the abuse until years later. Here is an example: https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/byers-beat/interview-with-parents-of-victims-former-boy-scout-leader/63-4b5013af-4d8b-4164-a92d-78bdd5093eeb

I actually expect COs to become the target of future lawsuits. I think the weakest link we have is the approval of adult leaders. In some cases, I would not be surprised to see adults working with units beyond 72 hours and are not registered leaders. In other cases, they are registered ... but remember the only signature on the form for unit leaders is the COR. So the COR will be brought into court and asked what he/she did to review/approve the leader (call references, etc.). In many cases, I expect COs could be found negligent in their role in youth protection under the current BSA syste

Agenda for today's hearing released. See below. Debtors’ Motion For Entry of Order (I) Scheduling Certain Dates and Deadlines in Connection with Confirmation of the Debtors Plan of Reorganization, (II) Establishing Certain Protocols, and (III) Granting Related Relief (D.I. 2618, filed 4/15/21). https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/48fd773c-aa99-43cc-ad9e-ccd83cd9e142_6475.pdf

Brutal article in the Seattle Times. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this repeated nationwide. The payouts are so low … then simply show how much assets the councils are keeping. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/bsa-settlement-proposal/ A rape claim against the Boy Scouts might entitle a survivor to as little as $3,300 under a nationwide proposal filed in court Tuesday. It’s painful to see,” said Jason Amala, a Seattle-based lawyer whose team represents more than 1,000 claimants, including Thurman and about 50 survivors from Washington. “

I volunteered for GSUSA and 100% agree. I was told I could run cookie sales & I declined. At overnights, I have never heard of a man attending. I know one dad that attended an overnight and he had to sleep in his car in the parking lot far away from the girls. My son is also involved with NICA. The adults go through training on youth protection and ensure 2 deep and no one on one. Overnights, parents attend and camp with their kids. BSA seems to be unique to have 11 - 13 year olds (the prime years of abuse) to be without parents camping with adult males. I believe today w