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  1. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    What data are you using for UK scouting? From what I can see, they have a higher percentage of youth in Scouting than USA and they are growing vs the continuous BSA decline. I’m even including the Learning for Life I’m the BSA numbers which I don’t believe is really Scouting. I also expect BSA will see a big drop as older LDS scouts have a new program (impacting Varsity and Venturing numbers).
  2. @Mattosaurus First, your Eagle Project sounds great. My wife and I have participated in similar food packs and the experience was rewarding and fun for the volunteers in addition to providing desperately needed nourishment. I completely agree with Backpack. Work to rectify the documentation as quickly as possible. Admit you missed this requirement and already started collecting the funds. I don’t believe you would run into an issue unless there are significant concerns regarding your fundraising method. Talking with my father who runs EBORs there are frequent paperwork issues. They would much rather have scouts own and rectify the issue. Attempting to fudge data or having mom or dad run cover (make up fake excuses) is not a good method to address the gap. Keep up the good work and good luck!
  3. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Agreed, but I am interested as to why the Canada Scout membership dropped. I don’t think it can simply be explained as coed as UK numbers appear fine. BSA is going coed, that decision has been made. Are there mistakes Canada made that we can avoid and best practices that other coed scout organizations made that we should follow?
  4. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I believe the UK scout org is coed. They have about 457,000 Scouts and a population of 5 - 19 year olds of 11.18M. So they have 4.4% of their Scout age population in Scouts. USA has 63.1M in age range of 5-19 so roughly 4.1% of their Scout age population is in Scouts. Note I’m not counting UK girl guides or US Girl Scouts in these numbers (or any other scout organization).
  5. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    If this is handled similar to how our council is handling Cub Scout camps (both day and overnight) there is no separate weeks for boys vs girls. The council simply states that if you meet the age requirements and are registered them you can attend. They’ll handle the added requirements due to multiple genders.
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    This was brought up during our district meetings and the answers we were given included posting shower/changing room times (men vs women) and using port-o-johns until facilities are updated. I tend to agree many camps are not ready, and councils will need answers as early as this summer for the girl cub scouts camps.
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    Scouting is doomed

    Given that many youth organization numbers are down, I’d recommed looking at society. - Women working outside the home/dual income families - Internet and gaming improvements - Year round sports organizations - Lack of buy in that an outdoor organization has relevance in today’s society
  8. Eagle1993

    Age requirement guidelines

    YPT requires a trained adult leader to monitor and guide any youth leaders. First it isn’t clear the Boy was a youth leader and second it seems clear that he was not monitored by and adult leader. I’d also state that if parents are raising concens the den leader should be addressing them.
  9. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    “What happens when the girls transition to Boy Scout Troops when they get to be about 11 years old is still being worked out”, Clark said. “The options appear to be all-girl Scout Troops or all-girl patrols within a Boy Scout Troop”, she said. This quote came from a spokeswoman from my council during a newspaper interview. It seems like that all Girl patrol in an existing Troop is definitely being considered.
  10. Eagle1993

    Age requirement guidelines

    There should be two adult trained leaders present at all Cub Scout activities. This den leader is blatantly disregarding the scouts’ safety. You should discuss this with the Cubmaster if the den leader is not responding. If interested, I’d recommend you take the BSA youth protection training and you will quickly see that the den leader is violating it.
  11. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    @qwazse What will really happen if BSA waits until January is that existing Troops will have their existing trained SM/ASM/CC/etc. create a paper “girl” Troop and simply combine forces with their existing Boy Scout Troop. I’m not saying this is a bad thing, but I don’t believe there are a lot of people waiting and ready to quickly create truly independent new Troops in the matter of weeks. As a CC of an existing Pack it was a lot of extra work to add girls mid stream. Simply dealing with the crappy BSA IT system, tracking down dues, finding and training new den leaders, reserving meeting locations, etc. while maintaining my existing Pack obligations wasn’t easy. Many BSA volunteers are already heavily loaded and creating a new Troop is a lot more work than simply adding a den. If BSA really wants hundreds of new Troops created in time for spring crossover then I do think it makes sense that they announce and allow Troops to start forming this fall (even if they don’t allow scouts to join immediately). This will allow the IT glitches, recruiting and training of volunteers, going to your local banks to setup new accounts, setting up meeting locations to occur in time for crossover. If they go down the path @Eagle94-A1 mentioned then it is similar to adding a den (probably even easier) and they could get that up and running quickly in January.
  12. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Let me make it simple for you... The new program being proposed for girls is not additional Patrols in an existing Troop, but new Girls only Troops. If nationals really wants that to roll out correctly (and not be paper Troops) they will need to allow plenty of time for the the organizational structure to get in place. Adding a den is fairly easy in an existing Pack. Having volunteers generate brand new Troops will take a lot more work and time. If they don’t want girls waiting around until mid 2019 for crossover then nationals will have to launch the program this fall. If nationals is claiming they can launch the program in January next year I expect many girls will be waiting a long time for Troops to form. On the other hand, if they don’t care about paper Troops forming then Jan would probably work.
  13. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Not only that but it takes time to generate a new unit. It took me 2-3 weeks of IT hoops and leader training just to add a den in an existing pack. If they want new Troops for girls ready by April 2019 they need to start soft launching this year. That will allow COs to generate the new Troops. Leaders for these troops to be put in place. Bank accounts created. Treasures, CC, SM, ASM all trained. Then what about new equipment? Reservations for meeting locations. There are a ton of activities for a new Troop and I’d expect they’ll need 3-6 months lead time so when the girls join the logistical items are complete. Given that, they should start this effort this fall.
  14. Eagle1993

    So, how will your Pack handle recruiting girls?

    We discussed this with our CO who passed a formal resolution during the board meeting stating they would support either direction that our Pack committee would choose. Our COR and IH supported adding girls. I definitely agree with the comments that the CO should be informed and decide which direction the Pack should take.
  15. Eagle1993

    So, how will your Pack handle recruiting girls?

    This is in order of likelihood a pigtail mafia member will leave a thin mint bomb in your mailbox. 1 - start with sisters of existing members 2 - have them reach out to their friends to recruit them to join 3 - standard Join Scouts Night stuff (flyers, yard signs, emails). Have something fun to do for the kids and ensure some girls that plan to join attend 4 - reach out to existing GSUSA scouts 5 - recruit existing GSUSA Troop leaders 6 - boom... your mailbox just exploded Overall, I don’t see much of a difference from recruiting boys other than making sure parents and girls see that a group of girls are joining. Once they see that, they’ll consider it more for themselves. Oh, and I don’t really recommend intentionally using 4 or 5 above... though we did end up with both (unintentionally). My hands shake a bit every time I start my car.
  16. Eagle1993

    Adding Girls to Pack

    Paper applications are now being accepted. Most of the girls were able to register online but the. BSA payment system seems flaky after a couple of the parents spent hours using various browsers. One parent said they checked their CC bill and found the BSA had charged them 8 x $33 ($264) (once for each attempt to register). She said she is sure the BSA will refund the money ...🙄 There is an article online with our major paper and I’m working with them so they spell our Pack number correctly. The council is having the other Pack lead the media effort and I’m perfectly content. I think most members in our Pack fall into the category that adding girls is fine... but I don’t think they are looking to be the center of media attention or lead any crusade. One challenge we are now facing. We have three girls who are twin sisters of existing Pack members (all Tigers). Our Tiger den is 26 Scouts. A couple of them have been going to Pack and den meetings but are not members of the Pack. They would like to join but the parents are too busy for more den meetings (for the girls den). So we have started discussions of adding a second girl den, this one dedicated to Tiger girls that would meet same time and place as the boys. My thought is that we can actually provide more separation between the boys and girls as I’ll have another den leader attend and work with them separately. The adult partner will be there for both their kids. Nothing official yet, but we are discussing it.
  17. Given their take on cookie sales that is probably about $12.
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    Am I the only one?

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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I agree with the above. I may have read the other comment incorrectly but I did not see volunteers state that they wanted the separate but equal program. At all of my District and “family scouting” meetings there were questions on where the volunteers would come from given the proposal. There were questions from COs in how this would logistically work. The opinions were either fully implement coed or stay away. I didn’t see much (or any) support of separate Troops. It appears that national is now realizing this.
  20. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    This was exactly the opposite of what I have heard at our meetings. Most have voiced support of fully coed and rejected this proposal as there were not enough volunteers to implement.
  21. Eagle1993

    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    A good point regarding Cub Scouts in that it could establish the mindset in Boy Scouts. I’m not sure what you mean by agenda driven. I find most of the comments in all of these forums agenda driven. Some have agendas to keep BSA boy led. Others have agendas to change OA. I guess what agenda are you alluding to. Only 11.2% of corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies are women (I assume that means 88.7% are men and 0.1% are other). Only 4.2% have female CEOs. Clearly there is a fall off of women leaders somewhere...
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I think leadership of coed Packs and BSA4G Troop who will run like coed will have to watch for this and it may be a good reason to ensure there remains some segregation within a coed program. I don’t see much concern at Cub scouts as it is parent run and there are really no leadership roles. At Boy Scout level, for those Troops that combine (they’ll exist) I certainly hope they keep the Patrols separate to allow both boy and girl PLs and even keep separate SPLs. While girls dominating may contine into high school, I’m actually not seeing women leaders take over my workplace (in the USA). I still see male leaders dominate the ranks after you get beyond the first level. This is such a concern in our corporation that I’m being pulled into new training titled Men Advocating for Real Change. Essentially watching for bias within the organization that could be preventing a diversified leadership. I could see BSA as a great method to help build both male (and female) leaders of the future.
  23. Eagle1993

    Adding Girls to Pack

    @Pselb Before this thread goes down a path of pro/con girls I would recommend (to all) that those posts go in Issues and Politics. There has been pages of debate and I definitely have no issues seeing that debate continue and I believe you have some valid points and concerns. I posted this in programs as my goal with this tread is to talk of the actual program as we add girls and issues/challenges/ideas as BSA already made the call and Packs that decide to add girls should have the ability to share experiences and ideas.
  24. Eagle1993

    Adding Girls to Pack

    Well, our 83 year old Pack just had our first girl den meeting... and I believe the Earth is still rotating. No media present but we did have some pictures taken of the girls. Most were in uniform and no skorts. Overall it was a lot calmer than a boy den meeting. We have 3 den leaders working the 3 separate age groups present. All of us we experienced in the Pack and we remarked that we need to prepare more as the girls got through the material more quickly than we planned. That could be due to smaller groups, but they were also a bit more focused. Several of the girls were talking about getting friends to join, so we will see if this grows before the fall. The skit I planned to work with them on was a failure (it dealt with fake spitting into buckets but the young ones didn’t quite pull off the fake part and and kept spitting on me). There may me some media (all optional) later in the week as we are one of a few Packs in the area doing the early adopter program. I’m greatful that our council let us run a standard den meeting without pushing for media access and the TV cameras I’ve seen in other markets. They were very hands off and simply thanked us for taking this on.
  25. I’ve seen several kids hit trees (not scouting) while sledding... luckily no ER visits. If you are not careful you can easily misjudge your speed (and thus length of run at bottom) or your ability to control yourself going straight. My heart goes out to this family and it will make me think twice when I send my kids out sledding without helmets (we’ve never used them for sledding or seen them used).
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