carebear3895

1 hour ago, David CO said:

My Chartered Organization was simply not that interested in BSA.  

But yet you are pushing for CO's to be in control of a council? 

8 hours ago, ParkMan said:

In the BSA, I would propose that every COR has a vote.  A COR could choose to proxy that vote to someone.  That's a slight change from now as I believe that existing board members also get a vote in the current BSA rules.

 

Both CO's and Members-at-large are voting members on the executive board. 

15 hours ago, David CO said:

Ideally, It would be the Chartered Organizations.  The CO's should appoint the COR's, and the COR's should select the council officers from within their own ranks.  With all of the talented people that exist inside the various Chartered Organizations in a council, they really shouldn't have to search very far to find good people.  

COR's are already on the executive board...they just never go to meeting, but they can. 

I do very much disagree with your assertion that Chartering Organizations should "run" the council being that every CO's are so different for one another. Everyone would want "my guy" as an officer. 

5 minutes ago, Sentinel947 said:

Rumor mill has been running wild about bankruptcy announcement later this month. Maybe that's why.  

That's what I keep hearing too. That, in conjunction with the number of recent "retirements" from the National Office makes me think some big news is on the horizon. 

1 hour ago, RememberSchiff said:

Last week at our 110th anniversary, did I somehow miss  a Scout Week message from our President/CEO or anyone else on our  National Executive Board?  

 

We have yet to hear anything from Mosby....regarding anything. 

13 minutes ago, malraux said:

Wait, theres a position under DE in the org chart? How many people work in some of these councils?

Larger councils that are able to fool unsuspecting people into take DA jobs.  Only council that I've met that used them is Northern Star in Minnesota. 

33 minutes ago, scoutldr said:

 Wonder what this will do to the Council budgets who will now have to double the salaries of the DEs and pay a teen camp staffer for a full 40 hours a week, plus overtime?

Almost all Professionals are salaried, exempt employees.  That's why we work insane hours. 

District Associates are the only Professionals who are hourly. 

Just now, walk in the woods said:

In 15 years of chartering my units neither the DE nor their designee ever once met with the IH to discuss and sign the Chartering Agreement.  That would be a good start.

Which is insane to hear because I meet with every CO twice a year at minimum. 

34 minutes ago, David CO said:

If the councils were fulfilling their end of the charter agreement, I might agree with you.  As it is, I can't see how we can expect the COR's to keep wasting their time, year after year, by attending the council meetings to simply rubber stamp the predetermined outcomes.  Let the Chartered Organizations and their COR's exercise their proper roles, and I would be the first to say that they all need to step up to make the necessary reforms happen.

In my experience, Chartering Organizations are the ones who rarely hold up their end of the deal. Your Charter Organization may be the exception to the rule, but I never see CO's help recruit youth and adults, support committees, encourage training, attend Council Exec board meetings, etc... and i GREATLY encourage active charters because, believe me, it makes my life a whole lot easier. 

I don't understand what you mean when you say councils don't fulfill their end. I will happily post the annual charter agreement so you can see for it yourself. What exactly are councils not doing? 

6 minutes ago, David CO said:

Voting members of the council should be made up entirely of COR's, who are appointed by the Chartered Organizations.  The execs should not be allowed to stack the boards with their hand-picked supporters, who are not appointed by the Chartered Organizations.

The slate of council/district officers should not be selected by a nominating committee chosen by the execs.  Nominations should have to come from the Chartered Organizations or their representatives.  The officers of the councils/district should have oversight authority over the execs.  They should not be directly or indirectly selected by the execs.  They should not be beholden to the execs for their positions.

All COR's are already voting members of the Exec Board. 

1 hour ago, SSScout said:

I see where you might think this, and you would be right.   When the Scout Pros  put money and numbers ahead of Scouty activity and "program", the money and numbers must suffer.  Wagon before the horse, so to speak.   The good pros see the promotion and encouragement and support of the Scouters , the volunteers that PAY for the privilege of volunteering (!!),  as the secret to gaining those numbers they seek.  

 

Those dang pros on the All- Volunteer Camping Committees! 

13 minutes ago, PACAN said:

I could really care less what his title is.   Some historians thought James West title was dictator. 😀

Seems like the interview is all softball questions.    JMHO.

Ironically, I see history repeating itself here. The second CSE, Elbert Fretwell, also came from outside of the Profession. That was done purposely as the board didn't want a prior Professional, or "West Man" to become the CSE. 

16 hours ago, dkurtenbach said:

This statement in the article caught my eye:  "Unlike his predecessors at the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America, Mosby’s title is not Chief Scout Executive. That title is reserved for commissioned BSA professionals — that is, full-time employees of the BSA who have undergone the required amount of training."  (Emphasis added.)

So, are they suggesting he is untrained or under-trained?  Or that he's not worthy to bear the "reserved" title of Chief Scout Executive?

Imagine being a fresh out of college 21 year old and taking basic training with the CEO of the company you now work for. 

Fun Fact: DE's don't actually get the official title "District Executive" until you've completed Basic Training/Commissioning  

You have been a volunteer with Scouting for three decades. How will that help you in your new job?

"The (BSA Executive) Board knew what they wanted. They wanted someone who embraced the Scout Oath and Law. And that’s an easy one for me. I’ve spent the biggest part of my Scouting life on the volunteer side. But I’ve worked enough at the area, regional, and national levels to get a feel for how life is on that side. My perspective on the profession is not the same as someone who came up through the organization. I think I see it more from the viewpoint of what kind of services I’d like to see as a volunteer. What do I need as a volunteer to help me deliver a better program to that troop or pack? That’s the view I have"

oof. Well that answers that. We professionals are going to be in for a shake up 

3 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

Dude it was the Summit...nobody likes the Summit apparently

well I mean....yea. There is that lol

Guy looks like he doesn't like staying in one place for too long. Also, weird to see someone leave a sweet full-time gig at a National High Adventure base

My takes:

• peer to peer recruitment is practically dead
• Troops rely solely on AOL crossovers
• Packs keep dying off. Less Cub Scouts eventually mean less Scouts BSA Members
• Reluctance to recruit new members outside of Packs. 

51 minutes ago, desertrat77 said:

Good question...unfortunately, we volunteers will be the last to know. 

Not True. Volunteers always know before Council Employees lol. 

One of the reasons i'm on this board, actually. 

25 minutes ago, Cburkhardt said:

And, just wait until the effect of the Coast Guard having designated Sea Scouts as its official youth program kicks in.  Properly implemented, it could double that program in just a few years.  It will also attract a newgeneration of youth leadership into the Coast Guard and the Coast Guard Auxiliary.

I wonder how they were able to scoot around the Deceleration of Religions Principle with that partnership. 

Beats me...

43 minutes ago, David CO said:

I disagree.

I'm sorry to hear that. I get that a lot of Professionals make bad decisions, but just being hateful doesn't help anybody.

5 minutes ago, David CO said:

Is there any other kind?

Unnecessary. There are a lot of good people who are DE's that are doing things the right way. 

2 minutes ago, PACAN said:

@carebear3895  Incredible.   Thanks for explaining what I guessed.   How long has the "method of membership accounting" been going on?  How do you register a scout without the parent signature?  Do these scouts actually follow the program? 

 

Couldn't tell you. Here is the official word from the Registration guidebook: "A roster may be used in exceptional circumstances in a few Scoutreach units where obtaining completed applications or parental signatures is not possible for a special group of members. This exception applies only to situations where privacy regulations or the safety of the youth or the youth’s family preclude obtaining the information, e.g., where the youth is living in a protected environment such as an abuse shelter, group home, or detention facility. Or, a roster may be permitted when participants are enrolled in a school-based program provided to the students, and the school does not want individual applications used"

You can see how that can easily be abused. If your council employs Paraprofessionals, they are usually the one who runs the after school meetings.  

2 minutes ago, PACAN said:

@carebear3895  Our scoutreach numbers went up almost 300 in December so we "grew" in 2019.  

Your Council is playing an unethical game. 

20 hours ago, Eagledad said:

I think you are looking at it wrong. As you’ve said many times, if the volunteers did the tasks they are supposed to do, the units would be running quality programs. But that comes down to training and guidance from district volunteers. Districts aren’t  doing their tasks correctly because Council (DE) aren’t recruiting the right talent and/or training the volunteers. DEs aren’t doing their tasks correctly because Council (DFE) isn’t training or directing them correctly. I don’t think the DEs job was designed to require more than 40 hours, but their bosses are doing it wrong. Find and Fix the problem, not the symptom. 

Barry

Why do you think we made an outside hire for the Chief Scout Executive? Mosby can have the tough conversations about what roles need to go. 

I remember speaking to Mike Surbaugh at DOB (in person pro training). I truly believe he wanted to help streamline and simplify the role of the DE, but as a lifelong Pro, he ran into the problem of not being able to get rid of Sacred Cows.