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LisaBob getting along, even with in disagreement is the adult thing to do. Sadly that is beyond some folks.

Ahhhh the fallacy of removing God...... One would think a Major General would know more of American History than what he appears to know. That is a real shame, unless of course he was spouting that nonsense to work the crowd up. It was not the intent of the Founding Fathers to set the United States as a religious, (Christian), nation. Many of the Founding Fathers were Deist. Namely Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Washington. And so too was the Father of the American Revolution, Thomas Paine. There were many other Deist during the time. Thomas Jefferson e

I know exactly to what you are referencing and think nothing of it. I go to a number of religious discussion forums and they are much nastier than anything I have seen here. And lets face it, there are those whom you can disagree where there is still mutual respect, and there are those that you cannot. The latter I have found in my experience to be less knowledgable and hence more defensive in childish ways. Consider the source on those kind of forum denizens. I do.

Seems some are a little challenged ethically. Anyone, and I mean anyone who recieves an honor from the BSA should be above and beyond approach. It is through debate that ideas are born. If we think as we always have we'll end up slowly dying off in the most pitiful fashion. We all need to challenge ourselves mentally and think outside the box. Now some of you might be surprised to know that I consider myself a staunch conservative. A Goldwater Republican, and most certainly NOT one of these dispicable neoconservatives, (who are in no uncertain terms conservative even wit

NldScout.....Rumsfeld has DONE NOTHING WRONG????? I guess if you look beyond the lies and deceit he's doing a great job. Of course if you look at it from a purely ethical point of view the man is about as nefarious a character in politics today. Put Rumsfeld with Chaney and Rice and you have the three worst people in Washington ever. These three make Nixon and LBJ look like Sunday school teachers.

NJCubScouter my error. Yes I meant change with the times OR die out. My bad. Evnori, I know many who claim to be followers of the Christian religion and are anything but morally straight. Being the member of a Christian denomination no more makes one moral, or morally straight than bald is a hair color. Ghandi was once asked that even though he was educated in England why he wasn't a Christian, to which Ghandi replied, "show me a Christian and I will become one."

Perhaps it is time for the BSA to move into the 21st Century. Either that over die out over the next 20 to 30 years. Allowing gays isn't going to throw the door open to rampant homosexuality. Pedophiles are not generally homosexual, and are generally know to their victims. Look at the catholic church for instance. Also too is the current religious intolerance. The realm of religion is the responsibility of the parents not the BSA and there should not be a religious obligation as a clause to membership. Many of the Founding Fathers were not christians, and this country was not begu

Isn't that a shame. Who's next Charles Manson? What was the BSA thinking in giving Rumsfeld the Silver Buffalo. I though it bad when Bill Clinton was given his, but this is much much worse. Rumsfeld is one of the principles that lied us into a war of which he should be held fully accountable. And hopefully after next November he, and the other criminals will be.

Oliver North's past is very important to the story. The BSA doesn't need a person with the sordid background North has speaking up for th organization. North represents everything contrary to the ideals of the BSA. Norht is a liar, and the mouth piece of the nuts cases of the religious right, or rather the religious reich. Of course he fits hand in glove with the current BSA leadership, which doesn't say much. But, for the rank and file Troop, Crew and Pack he should be anathema.

Is is just me, or are there others out there that find the prices of items one can purchase though the BSA supply division, or at your local Scout Service Center to be exceedingly high. I purchased a new Scout shirt several years ago and within weeks of receiving it had to sew most of the buttons back on. Is this shoddy workmanship something the BSA wants purchasers to see? You can purchase camping gear from many different sources that are the same items in the Scout Catalog but are cheaper in price. Sometimes the difference is surprising. I have also had complaints from paren

Prairie_Scouter, I was afraid I was going to come off as a homophobe, I'm not. From my perspective the gay lifestyle would or is hell. I suppose that a gay person wouldn't consider him or herself living a hellish lifestyle. My bad. I have several gay friends, and wouldn't ever think of telling them I thought their lifestyle was hell. I don't think it bad from a moral or ethical stand point, not my thing, but whatever floats someone's boat is their business. And yes too, discrimination of any sort is bad. Besides, it wouldn't take much to convince me that gays wouldn't b

Yes, quite the nut to crack eh? And yes there is as much difference between an agnosticism and atheism as there is between Christianity and atheism. Fishsqueezer I didn't mean to paint with such a broad brush. However, it has been my experience that many, (based on those I know personally and ones I've seen on internet discussion forums), are clueless when it comes to the history of their religion, and parts of the bible. My intent was not to step on any toes, I was just pointing out what I see where I live. With that said I would like to add, that when I see ones like Jerry Fal

Right you are about entertainment types. Especially Madonna and Tom Cruise. Madonna ........... volumnes on her classlessness. Tom Cruise and Scientology, now that is funny. Scientology; a religious philosophy made up by a b-grade science fiction writer. Cruise and others are shelling out big bucks to Scientology which is nothing more than a scam. Funny "ain't it! Scientology is proof positive of P.T. Barnum's "there's a sucker born every minute". Anyone that gives entertainment people any credibility for being anything other than shallow are themselves even more shallow than

Sorry Old Eagle, my mistake. I in no uncertain terms meant for my post to sound like the Democratic Party has the moral high ground. Even in the loosest definition of the term do the Democrats hold teh high ground on any issue. In my opinion the Democrats and Republicans are equally sorry. I voted for Bush in 2000. After 8 years of Caligula of the Ozards I thought it a no brainer. I thought it a no brainer in 96 with the choice of a decorated Vet and a draft dodger when I voted for Bob Dole. I consider myself to be a fiscal conservative, and my definition of what a conservat

Xtain is an abbreviation of Christian, and comes from the Greek. X" resembles the Greek letter Χ (Chi), the first letter of "Christ" in Greek. The original bible was translated from Aramaic into Greek. Presbyterian and Episcopalian seminaries require Greek as a language course for seminarians inorder that they may go back to the original writings of the bible instead of subsiquent translations. It is not derogartory, and comes for Christian history. X for Christos.

Hello Eager Leader, Thanks for the insight on the forum. I figure there are many like us out there who have the same ethical dilima as you and I. I also assumed there would be a portion of the members of this forum that will take the tact that I need to move on to some other endeavor. I understant their mindset fully, as I have lived my entire life in the bible belt. It has been my experience that those who scream loudest against non-xtians, and even liberal xtians, do not understand and know the history of their relgion, nor have they ever read the bible in entirity.

Hi y'all I have been involved with Scouts since I was 8, and will be 49 come my next birthday. So, I've been around a long time. I love Scouts. It is the greatest program available to youth, and can be more fulfilling for adults than any other avenue I have seen. There is as much diffence between atheism and agnosticism as their is betwee xtianity and atheism. I do not believe in a personal or caring god, nor do I believe that anyone has been given a special book or tablet by a god. My dilema has manifest itself of late in the furor over BSA policy and society, especiall

The idea there was/is war on xmas is laughable at best. Why is it that a certain segment of the xtian population feel there is. Of course Faux News is responsible for such nonsense. All television news uses sensationalizes stories, mostly nonsense or of no importance, (Natalie Halloway or the Peterson's for example). And Faux News is the absolute worst. If there really was a concerted war on xmas every retail business organization in America would be screaming bloody murder. These senstational stories like the war on xmas are nothing more than smoke and mirrors to keep the pub

Bible stories have been in Boys Life for as long as I have had access to Boy's Life, and that is since the mid 1960's. Should they be there? Personally I think not, unless there are stories from the Koran, BagadVita, and the other books that make claims of divine origin. When I thumb through a Boy's Life, I pass by the bible page like I do an advertisement for something I have absolutely no use for. Does it bother me, not really, but I can see how someone could be offended. Do Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, boys, or boys of non-xtian religions feel maligned? Who knows, but we shoul

I know the BSA does not allow athiest, however you never read or see anything on the subject of agnosticism. What is the BSA policy on Agnostic Scouts and Scouters. I am wonder this because I am a long time Scouter and an Agnostic. I feel some internal ethical turmoil over this question of religion in the overall BSA program. Personally I'd like to see the BSA drop the whole issue of religious belief, and move on into the 21st Century. This of course won't happen, but it would solve some of the problems facing the BSA today. Can a perons be an Agnostic Scout or Scouter? I believe t

I know the BSA does not allow athiest, however you never read or see anything on the subject of agnosticism. What is the BSA policy on Agnostic Scouts and Scouters. I am wonder this because I am a long time Scouter and an Agnostic. I feel some internal ethical turmoil over this question of religion in the overall BSA program. Personally I'd like to see the BSA drop the whole issue of religious belief, and move on into the 21st Century. This of course won't happen, but it would solve some of the problems facing the BSA today. Can a perons be an Agnostic Scout or Scouter? I