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And schools, sports teams, churches, etc.

@Gilwell_1919, The BSA has its own legal department that would have carefully reviewed any materials that were released. The BSA also has an IT department that would have likely developed the website a month or so prior to the release. I have seen many materials from the BSA and none have ever discussed, named, or otherwise identified claimants attorneys.

@CynicalScouter and @ThenNow, Thank you!!! Confirmed my thoughts. Personally, I am confident that the BSA has not done anything wrong in this regard. Despite the comments made here, I know the BSA professional management, the NEC, and most of the NEB and they are honorable men and women who try to follow the law and listen to their legal counsel. I sincerely doubt that any SE would commit such a mistake either.

A query to @CynicalScouter and @ThenNow, First, to be perfectly clear, I have not heard anything at like Gilwell_1919 has said. All of my knowledge at the upper echelons of the BSA - both professional and volunteer - support strictly following these rules. So these queries are my interest only and not in any manner based on knowledge, rumors, or anything else. The BSA is the debtor in the chapter 11 while the LC's are interested parties (I am sure that there is a correct legal term for them). So if a LC in some manner mentioned a large list of law firms (not a single one), is there

This is likely very true. Additionally, when a new adult wishing to volunteer approaches the troop/pack/crew/ship leadership, they may not be known. They may have been a Scout so have program knowledge or have skills. Most units need more adults and so when the criminal background check comes back without issues, the volunteers will be supportive. The COR likely has no other information either. Since most abusers in Scouting have no prior record, it is difficult to impossible to screen them. My concern is that the criminal background check gives a false sense of everything is OK. Youth

Mt experience is entirely the opposite and I have helped to recruit CO's over the years.

The CO is told that the COR should be someone from the CO. They are to register if they are around the youth. My experience is that it is made abundantly clear to the CO that they must approve all volunteers.

Though the BSA wants to continue with the high adventure bases (HAB), there is independently obtained data that shows that the HABs improve retention at the unit level. Philmont lost money for many years when the BSA would take the profits and redistribute. About 20 years ago (very approximate), the BSA told Philmont that it could retain any profits. Nearly immediately Philmont made a profit (simple capitalism and human nature works) and has every since. That does not directly help the bottom line for the BSA. Similar phenomenon has occurred with other facilities. The Summit Bechtel Rese

An important point is that for the BSA to exit chapter 11 bankruptcy, the BSA must submit a financially sound five year budget. This means that the BSA must have sufficient liquidity to carry it through that time. The financial plan will require projections on the income that will allow for very modest growth but will not be accepted with dramatic growth. @David CO The reason that the committee membership lists are not readily available is to limit abuse from volunteers in a youth program (it is disgusting for such abuse to be from Scouters). Despite that, I would feel better if the s

@CynicalScouter In short reply: a) Agree - it is because the members and professionals who are associated with committees receive foul language and threats - occasionally death threats. b) Usually selected by the chair and BSA staff though when I was a chair, I got mainly unit scouters. c) This is a valid criticism. All committees have a professional staff assigned to it that should field questions but obtaining the information as to who that person is and what is their contact information is difficult at best. Understanding the communication issues between the National Service Center

The BSA has for years tried to allow the LCs to communicate directly with their volunteers. So without that knowledge, many blame the national BSA for communication issues for a problem with the local councils. Sounds like your local council needs new leadership as those are not problems that I have seen in my council as I will soon begin my 28th year on the EB with some of that time on the EC. Volunteers are often not pleased with decisions that other volunteers on the national committees make. Having served on some of those committees, most all on this list would likely make the ide

This is true but the poster to whom you refer is not always correct because of incomplete information. He does not appear to be on the NEC or NEB and thus does not always have a complete understanding. Also, he knows about his council and a small number of others. That does mean that he knows even the most common findings in councils. He has done a marvelous job in informing us but I would not expect an attorney to be publicly or professionally - or any of us.

Of course it does and always has.

@David CO It is not ridiculous! Sorry that your council has been mismanaged but mine is well managed.

@SiouxRanger and @CynicalScouter, Sorry that your council executive boards (EB) function so poorly. While my council’s EB is not perfect, it functions much better than yours. Most EB members are Scouters while some are more on the donor side. The professional staff provides information about how large large events performed and plans for the next occurrence of the event. If the event is not specified, a query can be made with an immediate response. Remember that it is the executive committee (EC) where more detail is provided, mainly through the involvement of the EC members as c

@CynicalScouter Thank you for looking this up. The top six are not quite in the order of historical number of members but is close. At 20,985 other and 36,496 unknown there are 57,481 that are not one of the top 6 Chartered Partners by historical membership numbers. So most cases are not attributed to the top six Chartered Partners that total 15,505 cases (some of the unknown could be one of these but there is no way to estimate). When they finally get accused, these other and unknown entities that can be identified will not be happy to have not having input. Seems like to re

This has long seemed to me to be a key issue. We have no information about any caps on the coverage per incident or the aggregate coverage. The CO system provides a key component for Scouting - a meeting place. Some have talked about money from COs but in the near past it was only $40 per unit chartered. Today it is $75 per unit. According to Wikipedia, there are 103,158 units in the BSA that would generate $7,736,850 a year. While that is not inconsequential, it is not a huge compared to $72.00 each for traditional member and $45 for each adult volunteer. In the 1960's, child

All states have mandatory reporting that may have a time period (some number of years after the incident occurred). The BSA and local councils (LC) expected, based on historical reporting, 8,000 to 12,000. More than about 25,000 was not felt to be a likely result. Obviously, the number of claims filed far exceeded those expectations. So i those claims included new reports of child sexual abuse in the LCs. Those new ones had to be reported by law if in the reporting period. People have accused the BSA of not reporting incidents that could be child sexual abuse. We all would expect

This is not complete because the BSA will have contributed $850 M that would go to the same claimants. So that the total would be higher. The number that ThenNow and others will see as not adequate goes back to calculations that you and others have made before showing that the BSA and local councils simply do not have enough money to make the compensation what is desired. As so often seems to happen in such circumstances, the claimants, local councils, CO's, insurors, and debtors will all be unhappy as well as the Scouts and Scouters adversely affected by the results.

@Eagle1993 I thought that it might have so but have seen some rather embarrassing official communications.

@Eagle1993 First, I sincerely hope if that is not a copy and paste with such poor spelling. Second, if there is a release, I have not been contacted. Unless authorized by the council's legal council, I will assume that the NDA is in force. Also, I read this to be in some ways a defeat for the BSA (yes, not sports but it is not necessarily favorable). So in my mind, the amount and general terms to which the council agreed is not necessarily any longer part of an agreement. Certainly, Kosnoff wishes to destroy all Scouting.

@ThenNow He was hired around December of 2019 and the NEB was well down the path to filing Chapter 11 that Mosby did in February 2020 at the direction or assent (I do not wish to use the wrong word around all the legal types here). He knew largely what Chapter 11 would entail but COVID was a nasty surprise to him as well as all of us. He has been dealing with really severe problems since then. Do not dispute your assertion but understand why he has not.

This situation is not Roger Mosby's fault as he was not a BSA professional so had never worked in a council or even in the National Service Center. He was hired to manage the BSA through this Chapter 11. He was a volunteer but no professional experience. Chartered Organization agreements would not be part of what he needs to do. Had he come through the professional side as all previous Chief Scout Executives then he would have been familiar.

Interesting statement since the National Executive Board is composed of volunteers - most have been or are unit leaders.

@RememberSchiff has provided the same answer that I had speculated to be the action.