Rooster7

Someone once said - "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But no one is entitled to their own facts."

BadenP said: "You three kinda remind me of the Pharisees in the Bible parading around with that look at me attitude and whom Jesus was constantly condemning." I'm so glad that you've refrained from judging others. Interesting how disagreement over the AHG program can trigger such vitriol from a self proclaimed minister. Perhaps the AHG axe which you're so visibly grinding has more to do with your personal views on faith than anything else. Hey everyone, look at me...I have an opinion that is contrary to BadenP. I think the AHG is an excellent Scouting program. Sorry - I didn't r

Undoubtedly, BadenP will deem my opinion to be belligerent and closed minded as well. Perhaps, to save time, Scouter.com should rename this thread to - "If you agree with BadenP and/or want to insult those who disagree with BadenP, your posts are welcomed here"(This message has been edited by Rooster7)

IMO, AHG is a Scouting program comparable to the BSAs. They emphasize: Life Skill enhancement through multi-level achievement badge program. Girl leadership opportunities at all levels of programming. Developing teamwork and building confidence through varied outdoor experiences. Character development through community service and citizenship programs. Social development through organized Special Events. Spiritual development through religious awards program. Call me crazy, but they seem very comparable to the BSA. Regardless of what

OGE, BadenP's version of history and the actual facts are in conflict again. Look at this link, which I think is just a little bit more credible: http://www.catholicscouting.org/NCCS_History/NCCS_Chronology/nccs_chronology.html

I know how an AHG troop works firsthand... not through some friend's experience or by reading some Internet article or by some other uninformed means. And I can tell you that 95% of the garbage spewed here on this thread is garbage. They are not far right. They don't have a secret agenda. They are not evangelistic in the sense that they do not actively preach to anyone. Interweaved in the program they will act out their faith. They support Judeo-Christian values and act accordingly, and they will say the occasional prayer (and yes, they do pray to the God of the Bible). But beyond that,

BadenP, You said: In the Gospels Jesus many times had to explain and re-explain his parables to his disciples who seemed to have trouble understanding their true meaning, hence the scripture quote, "they have eyes yet they do not see and ears yet they do not hear." I clearly answered your question in my last post in a way I thought you would be able to relate to the best, and was not at all dismissive unlike your own question. However I guess that you just did not see the answer. It is clearly there. However this discussion does not belong in this thread and should end here. If you

BadenP, You said: I do not want to get into a theological debate with you here Nor do I. You said: I know I am right with God in my life. My post never inferred otherwise. You said: I will not presume to speak for God as to who is saved and who is not. In my faith (apparently not shared by you), if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, then you are saved. Theres no reason to doubt that unless you doubt your own response as being genuine. But thats my faith. If you dont believe that, thats fine. You said: One definition of Heaven and Hell in semina

"First of all I am not antiChristian as I am an ordained Christian minister, and an associate pastor for many years now, with two graduate degrees in Theology and Pastoral Counseling." BadenP - well, I truly hope that you are saved. I feel compelled to ask. At the seminary you attended, did they teach that Jesus is God and the only path to God the Father? I am not judging you...but I am curious. I have heard from several others that they were not so taught at the seminary that they attended. If the answer is yes, then amen and I hope one day we can reconcile our differences - as

All - Look and see for yourself. Don't believe the rhetoric woven through this thread. Investigate AHG on your own. Go visit a troop and ask some questions. Personally, I think you'll be pleased with the AHG organization.

There's no secret decoder ring for AHG members. If you attend a couple of their meetings, you'll discover that they are indeed very similar to the BSA. Many, if not most, of their leaders had boys in the BSA and wanted something similar for their daughters.

I am not a Pentacostal. But don't let that hinder your personal attacks. It is true that AHG is a Christian organization. So it should not surprise you to see its membership limited to Christians. But that does not make them bigotted or hateful. Do you go to a chess club to play checkers? There's a time to celebrate differences. There's also a time to celebrate commonality - whether that be faith, hertiage, or something else that one believes in and/or has passion for.

BadenP - you don't know what you're talking about. I know the program first hand and from what I have seen AHGs number one objective is to give the girls a safe place to have fun with other girls. While faith is important no one is forcing their doctrinal beliefs down anyones throats. The troop that I am familiar with has Catholics and Protestants participating.

CalicoPenn said, To be a leader in AHG, you must be an American Citizen. You can delude yourself into thinking this isn't anti-immigrant, but I can't think of a better way to discourage immigrant families from joining than requiring leaders to be American citizens. I really doubt that it would discourage immigrant families from joining an organization focused on providing fun and recreation to their daughters. In fact, some if not most may not want the obligation of serving the organization as a leader. BTW, shouldnt we (as a nation) encourage immigrants, people who receive benefits fro

BadenP - What exactly did I propose? You sure managed to extract a lot, but I don't think you represented my words very well. I stand by my posting - not yours. Others can judge for themselves as to what I said and meant.

"Sometimes some overzealous, self absorbed, politico-religious fanatics in this forum take themselves way too seriously." Perhaps - but the overzealousness and fanaticism runs both ways. Sometimes folks claim to represent a faith, but there is little evidence in their words to suggest that they actually believe their own church's doctrine - much less the words of the Bible or other historical documents from which their faith is supposedly based.

Acco40 - I'd rather have the "tyranny" of the majority than a judiciary of pseudo intellectuals who ignore their true role in government (one of three branches in a check and balance system), and pretentiously clings to judicial activism as a means to shove their ideology down the throats of law-abiding citizens.

Assertion #1: Something tells each of us - what is right and what is wrong. That something could come from your parents. It may be the education that you received. Some may argue, I have an innate moral conscience. Many others will declare, It comes from my faith. In short, while there is no common agreed upon singular source for ones morality, we are all entitled to have a moral compass. Albeit for some, that compass may appear to be missing. Assertion #2: Regardless of where that morality comes from - in this country, we not required to justify it to others. Our Constituti

I defer to Merlyn on all things atheist...after all, it's his religion. ;-)

In everything...moderation. That's a good rule for most things in life, including tattoos.

Jay K - Context is everything - especially when reciting Bible verses. The verse from Leviticus is referencing tattoos received as part of a pagan ritual. In other words, the point of the verse is, "no other gods before me". If you wear a tattoo that is a tribute to a pagan god, then one should be concerned. Otherwise, the Bible does not denounce tattoos.

I do have passionate beliefs and tend to be blunt. But I dont think I ever had any real bitterness for anyone on this forum. Although I cannot say it never came across that way. Its hard to account for several years of posting so Im not going to pretend that I am guiltless. All that said; I envision most of you to be hard working individuals who love their families no different from me. I wish you all knew God. But Im not here to start another debate. Just dropping in to read a few posts

NJ You wrote: I would love to see a BSA in which the views and voices of those who favor (for example) a local option on the gay issue were given as much attention or legitimacy as yours -- or even any at all. You and people like you are in control of the BSA, Rooster. You're in charge! And yet you seem to be complaining. Cheer up! You run the show! Okay, for the day that might be true. But I have no reason to cheer up as I see our society day after day leaning further and further to left. Yes, we swing back and forth, but in the long run the swings seem to go longer to the

Hey Trevorum/NJ - just stopping by for a short visit. My point, as it may be relevant to BSA policy, is this... We (Scouters and those who support the organization) should support BSA policies that are consistent with Truth. Now, I'm sure there are many who disagree on what Truth is...but shouldn't we seek truth in all we do and say? Thus, I support the BSA policy as it stands today because it is consistent with the Truth as I know it. And to those who would attempt to nullify my opinion, claiming my faith shouldnt enter into the equationI say hogwash. That is, we all have differe

I try not to judge others...but I do judge behavior. And while the World likes to explain away all of our differences as a matter of genetics, I often see those differences as a matter of choices - which are based on our understanding of Truth. And unlike the World, I do not believe that there are multiple Truths. I believe there is one Truth - and it should guide our morality and behavior. Or said another way, I do not believe that there are multiple Truths, which lead us on diverged paths to different but equal codes of morality. This way of thinking is a sham, and a deceitful teaching w