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    Questions re organizing a den-only family campout

    in Cub Scouts

    Posted

    I would get that council approval in writing. File a tour plan.

    It's a durn shame you have to be that paranoid, but these are new parents and you want to be sure you're doing everything possible to make sure your scouts are well taken care of.

     

    Qwazse trying to use a apple when the recipie calls for an orange.    http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety/TourPlanFAQ.aspx 

     

    A checklist for Chartered Organization / Leadership that is planning a scouting event - kind of hard to certify when you know the activity is outside of scouting right?  There is not a council approval, it is the unit leadership that certifies the plan is complete.   So doing one when you no it's not an official scouting activity or the program of the BSA (Tiger den camping for this strings midlife renewal) doesn't make a lot of sense.  

     

    My $0.02

    Outdoor Hazard Blog

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    RichardB, thanks for the information. I have a question: Is this same information on the BSA's own web site, in addition to the web site of just one chartered partner? The health and safety guidelines are the same for all CO's, right?

     

    Not sure that I understand but the article is penned by the RM folks at the church, who can set standards for their program / members.  Which they do.   

    Canoe safety question

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    Not so sure that it's that far of a stretch or absurd to question the ability to supervise an activity based on the information provided in this thread.    Knowing what you don't know and asking the question is good, not knowing the limitations is outside the zone where reasonable folks would say sure go ahead you have qualified supervision in place.   And if you don't know how the route reacts to various flow scenarios I'd just say lets find something else to do is prudent and smart.  

     

    http://www.scouting.org/Home/HealthandSafety/incident_report.aspx down at the bottom has a couple of things you may want to review.   Along with the first point of Safety Afloat.       

     

    Qualified Supervision 
    All activity afloat must be supervised by a mature and conscientious adult age 21 or older who understands and knowingly accepts responsibility for the wellbeing and safety of those in his or her care and who is trained in and committed to compliance with the nine points of BSA Safety Afloat. That supervisor must be skilled in the safe operation of the craft for the specific activity, knowledgeable in accident prevention, and prepared for emergency situations. If the adult with Safety Afloat training lacks the necessary boat operating and safety skills, then he or she may serve as the supervisor only if assisted by other adults, camp staff personnel, or professional tour guides who have the appropriate skills. Additional leadership is provided in ratios of one trained adult, staff member, or guide per 10 participants. For Cub Scouts, the leadership ratio is one trained adult, staff member, or guide per five participants. At least one leader must be trained in first aid including CPR. Any swimming done in conjunction with the activity afloat must be supervised in accordance with BSA Safe Swim Defense standards. It is strongly recommended that all units have at least one adult or older youth member currently trained in BSA Aquatics Supervision: Paddle Craft Safety to assist in the planning and conduct of all activities afloat. 

    Guide to Safe Scouting

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

     

    Scroll down to protection considerations.  That paragraph looks like it points entirely to professional health care providers serving on pay or volunteer status at our camps, not leaders in units who would be dealing with an emergency in real time.

     

    I also question the utility of the section on membership and participation guidelines for people with communicable diseases.  Might that not better be in a membership/joining set of documents, and in COR training?

     

    Anyone providing first aid (including our youth and leaders) should protect themselves from blood or body fluids.  It's a real risk to such things as HIV, Hepatitis and even things like Zika.   In addition, there are legal concerns for staff (which may be volunteers or paid) including lifeguards who need extra training and education including compliance.   BTW this is not a new section, been around long before 2007.    

     

    We chose to include it here.  An addition a couple of years ago if I remember correctly.   Generally, both staff and volunteers who have questions find it in the GTSS vs. on the web.    Answer enough questions about it that it is a concern and it really lays out how to "have a plan" to deal with local questions that arise.   

     

    Hope that helps.  

    Guide to Safe Scouting

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    Thanks for pointing this out.  I really like the Incident Review sheets.  I was at a Webelos camp last year during a thunderstorm and the camp staff told us to shelter in our tents.  Having something like this to show them actual incident data proving this is a bad idea would have helped.  As a Pack Trainer and Roundtable Commissioner I intend to use these to train the leaders I serve.

     

    Would be interested in any feedback as you use them, share them.     

    Pre-Physical Health Form C - accepted medical providers?

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    To the original post, all things AHMR can be found at this one stop location.  http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/ahmr.aspx  Anything else is hearsay save for a few local camp / state requirements / nuances like CO who requires a specific immunization form.  

     

    You will not find an alternative to the instructions listed at the top of Part C, anything you have read or been told to the contrary is incorrect.    

     

    RichardB

    Trouble collecting required forms

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    RichardB just wants furry critter to not discount scope of his call for multiple approaches or the saves that happen daily when bad things are caught pre-participation......

     

    Assures critters everywhere latest revision to AHMR started from the whys presented. Comments always appreciated for next revisions to AHMR (sometime post 2019 WSJ)

     

    RichardB

     

    PS: Health providers across America call for beaver pelts.

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    Trouble collecting required forms

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    An observation if one were to use the 99% / 1% issue assumptions (and I'm not advocating that) - 22,507 youth would fall into that 1% in the traditional program.   (Report to the Nation figures used).  

    Also might want to review the first FAQ about the AHMR

    Q. Why does the BSA require all participants to have an Annual Health and Medical Record? 
    A.     The AMHR serves many purposes. Completing a health history promotes health awareness, collects necessary data, and provides medical professionals critical information needed to treat a patient in the event of an illness or injury. It also provides emergency contact information.

    Poor health and/or lack of awareness of risk factors have led to disabling injuries, illnesses, and even fatalities. Because we care about our participants' health and safety, the Boy Scouts of America has produced and required use of standardized annual health and medical information since at least the 1930s.


    The medical record is used to prepare for high-adventure activities and increased physical activity. In some cases, it is used to review participants' readiness for gatherings like the national Scout jamboree and other specialized activities.

    Because many states regulate the camping industry, the Annual Health and Medical Record also serves as a tool that enables councils to operate day and resident camps and adhere to BSA and state requirements. The Boys Scouts of America's Annual Health and Medical Record provides a standardized mechanism that can be used by members in all 50 states.

     

     

    Nap On Safely

    in Summer Camp

    Posted

    RichardB doesn't throw hissy fits often.   And this isn't even close to the threshold.    I do agree with other posters that this is not complete as there is a noise hazard to be addressed, especially if this is a two plus deep situation.    

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    Trouble collecting required forms

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

     

    The responsible will be punished. :)

     

    I thought it was no good deed goes unpunished.  

     

    Several comments answer the issue, which is maintaining the AHMR's for your unit on a year round basis.  To the OP, once they are good for camp then you should be good to go for almost a year, by the time camp rolls around next year you will the guru of making this work.    

     

    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Resources/MedicalFormFAQs.aspxis the FAQ's  This one is called out as appropriate to the discussion:  

     

    5th FAQ

     

    Following are some of the best practices for using and storing the records:

    • The Annual Health and Medical Record is secured to maintain the confidentiality of the information, yet at the same time, the forms should be accessible by adult leaders in an emergency. The following guidance will assist leaders in achieving this goal:
      • Leaders are encouraged to maintain the original AHMR forms in a safe location in a binder or file that protects the documents entrusted to the unit leader.
      • The AHMR should be taken on all activities.
      • Designate a leader to keep the files containing the AHMR up to date.  This may include reminding participants to update the AHMR annually or as needed.    

    Did they do away with D? Annual Health and Medical Record

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    Thank you for posting this information. There was conflicting information coming out of the troops in my town so I went to this website for the official word. We are going to Philmont next month with another troop and they are using an old copy of the form which has a Part D. Our troop is using this form which has a link from the site mentioned above. I hope the other troop does not have problems using the wrong form.

     You may wish to have anyone using an older version of the AHMR update them or at least contact the ranch and confirm.  I'd hate to see folks have a bad intake experience.   

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    Did they do away with D? Annual Health and Medical Record

    in Open Discussion - Program

    Posted

    I am working on this now too.... for regular boy scout camps (Ma-ka-ja-wan in WI), do we need to print and carry around the part D and/or bring it to the doctor's office? Thanks!

     

    Unless the council has their own risk advisory the one reason for a youth or participant to bring along a HAB advisory would be if they were going to one of those HAB later on.   It will save a return trip to discuss the risks with the medical professional signing off and in the case of someone with medical limitations set them on a path to help them get there if needed.    

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