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  1. TJ, The argument is that you can't have a NATIONAL organization if the membership standards are set in each local area. What you are proposing is a franchise without national membership standards which isn't going to happen. What you are proposing on the surface sounds simple, but it is a slipery slope whether you recognize it or not. Implementing such a change would split the BSA even more than we are split on this board and would highlight the differences while at the same time the BSA would be relinquishing their moral ground - that's not likely to happen either.
  2. OGE - i think you've spotted another point we can probably all agree on Dunk-Head refers to the practice of actually being immersed at baptism (which isn't as an infant) - one of the things that sets us Baptists apart from the rest of you heathens.
  3. TJ, I don't agree that the basis of your conspisary theory (and it sounded like one months ago and still sounds that way) are based on FACTS, but statistics that can be INTERPRETED in a number of ways. One such way is that the LDS may find that their average church is smaller and pulls a smaller number of boys that non-LDS churches therefore they have more units with smaller membership. Or they may find that smaller troops allows the Scouting program to work better with their church for other reasons. Just because the LDS is vocal about their beliefs doesn't mean that they are enforcin
  4. TJ, I'm suprised that you haven't linked the LDS with Osama bin Laden and the Taliban's disdain for women yet. Or maybe you'll call the Catholic church homophobic - better yet, let's refer to the Baptists as dunk-heads. Maybe if you attack other religions you'll feel even better about YOUR so called moral position on homosexual acts. I find it more than slightly hypocritical of scouters to be respectful of their brand of religion or non-religion as the case may be, and then rip the LDS for tenets of their religion - you either respect others or you dont. I'm not LDS, but your
  5. The way it works - the accounting behind it or Enron accounting 101... Several Scenarios: #1 Local UW does not donate to BSA any longer. I direct $10 to go to BSA via UW UW directs around $7 to the BSA for my contribution. #2 Local UW still donates to BSA - $100K per year. I direct $10 to go to BSA via UW UW drects $100k per year to BSA (my now $7 is part of this, but they take 7 other dollars and redistribute to other programs per the budget). If total directed giving is in excess of $100k per year for the BSA, my additional $7 goes to BSA, if not
  6. NJ - see any more black helicopters in your neighborhood lately? It is a misinterpretation of the principles of Scouting, by people who wish to impose their religious beliefs on everybody else.
  7. Rooster - stick to your guns on this - i happen to agree with you regarding religion as well. My faith requires me to witness to others and to acknowledge no other gods; it also requires me to believe that there is ONE way to the Father and that is through the Son. There is one truth, not many. It does not require me to respect other religions, neither does being an american - it DOES require me to respect your choice of how you want to worship. YIS Quixote btw, Mickey Mouse, Pooh and Tigger all say hello to everyone...just back from the happiest place on earth.
  8. NJ - Thanks. I can see more of where you're coming from on this and I respect your opinion (don't always agree with it, but nobody's perfect). YIS Quixote
  9. NJ, you say Personally I would rather not know or hear about the religious beliefs of others I'm just a little surprised to read this statement. I would have thought that you would be a little more liberal on this point. On a side note, I think most Christian faiths as well as Islam teach that spreading the Word of God is a fundamental charge given to believers. Does the Jewish faith not have this charge? I can understand not wanting other religous views imposed on you - i wouldn't want it either. Quixote
  10. littlebillie, welcome to the board. II assume Roosters intent was to point out that their special need would be solved by belief in God, not in having some atheist camping club for boys. As far as being practical, I would argue that belief in God is very practical as well as compassionate.
  11. NJ says You surprise me, BobWhite, by twisting my words and meaning - there's a lawyer joke there somewhere.
  12. Thanks - i had misread the requirement.
  13. Quixote

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    Sounds like the Supply Division missed something if the webelos scouts are supposed to wear a tan shirt, green pants and a blue belt!!! No wonder none of my webelos last year wanted to switch to the brown shirts
  14. Salra, I too hope you find another Troop for your son to join. Also, thanks for sharing this subject with us - on the way to my son's troop meeting last night i mentioned that he might hear some foul language at camp and possibly other inappropriate discussions and if anything felt wrong to him to remember that he can always walk away from the group or if he is feeling brave to bring it to the kids' attention that it is inappropriate language/discussion for scouts. Thanks & Good Luck Quixote
  15. Bob White, Family Life Merit Badge Requirement #6 Do the following: A. Discuss with your merit badge counselor how to plan and carry out a family council. B. After this discussion, plan and carry out a family council to include the following subjects: 1.How to avoid the use of drugs and drug abuse 2.Understand the growing-up process, how the body changes, and making responsible decisions dealing with sex 3.Personal and family finances Given requirement 6b2, how does the merit badge counselor ensure that the scout "understands" things withou
  16. sctmom, i believe i did write depending on the severity and the attitude of the scout - while i have every desire to help provide scouting to every boy that wants to be in scouts, i firmly believe that drugs and alcohol have absolutely no place in scouting. Assuming the boy in question realized what he did was wrong and was genuinly remorseful, 60 days doesn't sound too bad, but if the attitude is "hey, it's only pot", my recommendation would be complete expulsion from any troop i am an adult leader in. YIS Quixote (This message has been edited by Quixote)
  17. I ask because like BW, i had exposure to this kind of thing except from the other side of the fence. One of the scouts in my Explorer post in the 70's had pot on a campout and the adult leaders did nothing - talk about being confused as to what is the right thing to do! Then again, the same adult leader was a regular violator of todays GTSS and YPP. I know my opinion of the leader, who I previously admired, went way downhill after this event. Within the year, he was out of the Post, the guy that brought the pot on the campout and his clique within the post were gone (of their own accor
  18. After reading Bob White's story concerning the boy with pot on a campout, i'm curious as to at what level do you call the authorities (legal vs. DE / Scout exec) regarding an illegal act taking place on a troop campout. please, no GTSS quotes. Quixote
  19. I don't understand how this is any different from the old snipe hunt except that the adults were involved. New kids were still initiated into a troop by playing a prank on them - ok, you played the prank on all the kids. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you hazed them, i just don't see the difference between your joke and singing scouts with the possible exception that the scouts being asked to sing are being taught something where yours are just being made fun of.
  20. Bring it up to committee, the COR and I would also bring it up officially to the DE.
  21. sctmom says A few months ago after my son's first troop campout, there was the normal collection of items at the next troop meeting that had ended up at the wrong homes. The owners had to come forward and get them. Nothing else was said or done, those kids were embarrassed enough to walk up in front of the troop to get their coat (big thing to lose) or other item. I can't believe your troop made the owners come up in front of the rest of the troop and - your words - embarrassed them in such a humiliating way - how is this not hazing and singing a song is? Just because they weren't up th
  22. Bob, Where in the GTSS does it say BSA stands for Bubbleboy Scouts of America? While i wouldn't want to play a game of scout jeopardy against you, i have read some of the books and gone to some of the training and I don't see where this is hazing as defined in them. per BW The goal of the BSA is character, citizenship and mental, physical and emotional fitness. We have hundreds of resources that give specific activities we can do with scouts to reach this goal. Can you find one of those resources that has any mention of allowing singing to reclaim personal property? NO? Then i
  23. SCTMOM writes There is just NO POINT in making them sing to get something back. Nothing will be gained from it. If the boys just joke about it, then is it changing their behavior? The point is supposed to be a reinforcement to not leave their stuff laying about, but to take care of their equipment. The only thing gained is a boy who knows there are sometimes consequences to his actions / inactions. If the boys joke about it in a good natured way, it is most likely their way of dealing with real life (i understand some adults do that as well ). If the boys are flippant about it or laug
  24. Seems like there are two camps on this issue - maybe we could have the local unit option here Sorry, couldn't resist. Sctmom - when your son comes home and you make him pay for that tube of toothpaste he lost, don't complain when he calls child protective services to report you for abuse NJ - when i read the first line of your post, i thought you and rooster were going to agree on something (thought the 2nd coming was right around the corner on that one ) We're talking about singing here folks, not public flogging. Call the police because YOU lost something? are you seri
  25. Agreed Sctmom - at least until you want them to be quiet
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