mdutch

The guide to safe scouting says the following on two deep leadership:

Two registered adult leaders or one registered leader and a parent of a participant.

Does the one registered leader need to be registered in the unit conducting the outing? For example Parent 1 is not a registered member of BSA, and Parent 2 is a committee member of Troop 1234. Could Parent 1 and Parent 2 be the only adult leaders in a trip with Crew 1234, in which the child of both Parent 1 and Parent 2 are attending?

(not sure if that makes scense)

BobWhite wrote " Outdoors, in uniform, the hat stays on while you use the scout salute for the program you are representing. "

While I would argee that that is what any BSA publication would tell you to do, is that what THE LAW says to do? The US Code (which conatains the flag code) says that those in uniform shall "render a military salute". As far as I know the Cub Scout salute does not count as a military salute.

As it is not a requirment to be a US Citizen to be in BSA, occassionally a troop will get non-citizen's as youth members. In my crew we open the meetings with the Plege of Allegience. What do non-citizens normally do while that is going on? This became more of an issue at my meeting this evening, because normally the President leads the pledge. Tonight, the president was absent so the Admin VP was filling in (he is the non-citizen) and he was expected to lead it. After we were all standing, the advisor who realized the situation, started it for him. Any ideas on how we can deal with this in the future?

I am currently the VP Program of the only active venturing crew in our district (there is one inactive crew that was created by the OA for the purpose of not having 0 crews charter this past year). Anyway, we were formed this past January sort of as a spring off of a troop (same number, some of the same members, different CO). Things seem to be going pretty well. We have a former SM who wanted a unit for his daughter to join as our Advisor. So far we have done a bowling night, a day hike, and are having a whitewater rafting trip this weekend. I think that the Crew provides a great place for youth who are interested in more high adventure type activites, which they aren't able to get with their own troop. My troop really doesn't have enough older scouts to pull of a high adventure activity, but the crew has enough people. You are able to get people to join a crew who don't want to wear a uniform (plenty don't join BS because of this).

However, I do agree with you initial statements. Venturing has different meathods of reaching the aims of building character, developing citizenship, and fostering personal fitness.

I just got back from my first OA Conclave (NE-3B). I had a great time. The VIP for the weekend was the OA National Chief Pat Murphy. I had the privlige of attending his training session "OA Troop/Team Representitive". I know that a little while back we had a discussion going on about what the OA rep should be doing. So, I took notes and have what he said they should do:

1.communicate events to unit members

2.help conducte elections

3. serve as a bridge between the unit and the chapter/lodge

4. attend OA meetings

5. Promot the OA

6. Set an example by living the Scout Oath and Law and wearing the uniform correctly

7. Serve as a Contact w/ OA members

8. Attend the PLC

9. Serve as a general resource for leaders in the troop

10. Promot brotherhood.

I see the points that both of you are making. I just want our lodge to base our decision on what we think is best, not what we THINK national told us to do

Does x% of the patrols earn national honor patrol?

Do you hold an open house to recruit new members?

Do boys plan all the outings?

Does x% of the boys in the 9th grade or above participate in the troop ACTIVLY?

Does a COR who is the COR for two units with two CO get one vote or two votes at council meetings?

At the ordeal weekend for my chapter (this past weekend) we were told that almost a year ago national had determined that Brotherhood testing was prohibited, because it was hazing. This doesn't seem reasonable to me, and I can't find anything to support this statement. Has anyone heard this before? Does anyone know of a RECENT BSA Publication (preferably this calander year) that either explicitly or implicitly allows for them?

Thanks,

Eric

While I have no expirience in the medical field, I recently was made aware of the following power-point avalible from the national website.

www.scouting.org/pubs/19-141.ppt

ljnrsu,

I guess our difference of opinion comes down to the fact that I believe that in a boy run troop, each aspect of the program should have a boy leader. While there sould be an adult to guide them, it should be a youth, not an adult, running all parts the program.

The problem with the org chart in the SM handbook is that is only provides for one NSP, therefore one troop guide is the youth leader in charge of all one of the new scout patrols. If you have myltiple NSP the org chart doesn't work. IMO, the SPL doesn't have time to coordinate the New Scout program, so this task should be delegated out to another youth (I really don't care if you want to call him a ASPL, Chief Troop Guide, or whatver).

lijnrsu,

If you have myltiple troop guides (myltiple new scout patrols, we had 3 last year) what youth do you put in charge of the new scout program?

This past year my troop has had two ASPLs, and this year I am concidering adding a third. As I served as an ASPL last year, I can say that there was definitly plenty of things to be done. As mentioned earlier, one responsibility of an ASPL is to supervise the Scribe Historian type people. In a large troop (especially when you get 20 new scouts in one year) you will also want an ASPL to help organize the Troop Guides. I think having an adition ASPL to help out with the general administrative jobs of the SPL would also be very useful.

There are plenty of jobs that need to be done, and in a large troop if you don't have more than one ASPL, I think you will be faced with burning out your SPL and ASPL.

From the Adult leader application (http://www.scouting.org/forms/28-501.pdf):

"All leaders must be 21 years of age or older, except assistant Scoutmasters, assistant den leaders, assistant Cubmasters, assistant Webelos den leaders, and assistant Varsity Scout coaches, who must be 18 or older."

We conduct them wherever we can. Most are done at meetings. We have access to the schools cafateria and gymnasium, so the SM goes to which ever one is quiter. However, I have also had two done at campouts (with 2 different scoutmasters) and even had one over the telephone. We usually don't have enough MC on campouts to do BORs otherwise we probably would do those on campouts too.

Adults are selected for the OA by the troop committee. After your next youth election, you should talk to your committee chair and/or a member of the election team. You can also try calling the lodge advisor for you council if you still have questions.

How do you tie behavior to the patrol? It sounds like an interesting idea.

We do things similar to MN_Scout. For eating purposes, each patrol is expected to prepare food for 2 extra people (adults and SPL). The patrols are given a relativly high amount of freedom in planning there menus. Depending on the campout we may set requirments such as lunch needs to be cold (if we are going to be eating it on a hike or something), or that Sunday Breakfast needs to be quick to eat/clean up. Occacionally, the PLC will set a requirments such as "Dinner must be in a DO" just to make the patrols think creativly. All of the menus are approved by the SPL or SM for nutritional value.

According to what I read on this topic, lodges keep there numbers, but when they sign up for events, they use the council number. The exact details of this can be found at http://oa-bsa.org/annc/opup/OPUP-04-9.pdf where it says

"Lodge numbers are not being taken away; they are just not going to be used nationally to report and register OA lodges. Instead lodges will be identified by lodge name, and council number."

I think the password-protected forum idea is a good one. I'd be willing to moderate a forum.

Ordeal Member Haudenosaunee Lodge 19, Section NE-3B. Going for brotherhood next month.

If I recall correctly (although I am not sure if it is true) a UC is encouraged not to be registered in any other position in the troop, but that is not a hard and fast rule.

BP,

you said "Coed Venturing crews must have at least one male and one female advisor - both of whom are 21 or older."

Where did you get this statement from? Also, to clarify do you mean advisor (a position in a venture crew) or adviser (one who providce advice a.k.a. and adult leader)?

This thread was started over half a year ago, I guess they have changed the list of "hot iteams" since then.

According to Roberts Rules of Order, 10th ED Newly Revised (page 277), motions to close nominations require a 2/3 vote to be approved and are not in order when someone else wants to make a nomination. Instead of making the motion the chair can simply ask "are there any other nominations" (and if nobody responds, the floor is closed.

So, Proud Eagle is correct, it can just be closed by the chair, or by a motion AND a vote. Either way, if someone still wants to make a nomination, the floor can not be closed.