00Eagle

I've seen a few oddities where one town was deemed an "island" of one district ("District A") surrounded by another district ("District B").  The charter was held by a church in that town and there were no other charters in the town.  The troop actually met in another town within the contiguous boundaries of District A which is why they did the boundary shift.

If your chartering organization serves a wide area spanning council boundaries and just has a mailing address in XYZ territory, this is more likely to be workable. 

BTW is this a Jewish unit?  613 = the number of commandments in Jewish law, which is why my Jew-dar perked up.

I think if given the choice, I'd go with the pizza place. 

Yes, a for-profit corporation can charter a scout unit.  We have a pizza place in our area that charters a Cub pack.

A funeral home two towns over charters a troop.

I told both the den leaders and their scouts for our Webelos 1 and Arrow of light dens that they could come up with a den name. We would get them patches etc and it was never pursued by them. My youngest is a Webelos 1 we are planning on taking their den camping towards the end of the school year. I will probably attempt one more time. My older boy was put into a new scout patrol and they really struggled to find a name. I think of the Webelos years as prep for Boy Scouts in every aspect. I would hope that by coming up with a name as a cub it would be easier to come up with a name as a Boy Scout.

Jedi Mind Trick I learned from our last SM, who learned it from another SM...:

Never offer the scouts an open choice like that.  If it's time to pick a new troop t-shirt design and you need to pick a color, SM says "alright scouts Red, Green, or Blue."  The scouts settle on a color rather quickly.  Next year change the color choices slightly.  "OK scouts last year's shirt was Red, do you want Gray, Blue or Green."

We do patrol names similarly:  when the patrols are reorganized (we always seem to have two) the scoutmaster picks 6 new patrol patches.  Patrol A picks from three choices, Patrol B picks from the other three. 

An old English scout (parent of one of my cubs when I was in college) told us* that a popular scout fundraiser was called "Bob a Job."   The English shilling (£0.05 in old money) was called a "bob."  The fundraiser was basically going door-to-door to hire yourself out to do an odd job for a shilling which you then donated to your troop.  I believe it was phased out many years ago due to youth protection concerns.  Perhaps @@Cambridgeskip and @@ianwilkins and our other British posters can comment

*=an old Bear requirement was to talk to some one who used to be a scout and learn how things were then.

that's why I qualified that I believe its what they are most interested in.  head count (and its direct relationship to $)

 

OT stuff?  help me out, another acronym I don't know...

well OT often mean "Occupational Therapy".... but I'm thinking that's not it based on context...

Off topic.

This is the problem BSA has. They are not very good at giving examples. Most of the training templates show how a training program should be organized, but the meaty content that would provide examples simply says "insert good example here".   

 

YES!!!  The BSA has no problem issuing a training syllabus for a course.  But not everyone is a skilled presenter, and worse, even if you can present, it doesn't mean you can turn a syllabus into a presentation.

I'll give ILST as an example.  An SM's supposed to do ILST once a year for his junior leaders.  It's supposed to be a prerequisite for NYLT.  Unfortunately, there are several problems:

• Not every scoutmaster knows of this (and worse some aren't "fans" of NYLT either)
• It's not a JTE requirement
• Not every scoutmaster is a gifted presenter
• All BSA gives you is a syllabus.  No scripts, no slide decks (that may be a good thing though, it avoids death by Powerpoint).  Videos like in Scoutmaster Specifics would be helpful.
• There should be a University of Scouting-type course to specifically teach Scoutmasters how to do ILST.  Of course that means you need another syllabus :-(

Let me clear the informing them to wear a uniform or other things I have done. Im not very detailed on the reporting back. I deal with less is more at work. So my lack of details may be causing confusion in my intentions and thoughts.

 

I had a meeting with the SPL and PL before the meeting started. I asked them what they wanted to do. 

(I shut my mouth and let them tell me how they wanted to run the troop.)

 

They told me they feel its more a hangout, with occasional skills thrown in. They wanted it back to the way it was a couple years ago. Uniforms worn, and more fun stuff. They want to set an example of how to be a Scout. (Essentially the result of the meeting) 

They also said they become tired of being ill prepared going to district campouts so they just decided to quit going.

They used my uniform as an example for uniform wear. They thought it was cool I had everything neat and tidy on it. They said the SM said not to wear them anymore so everyone stopped. They didn't feel it was right but they really were not given an option.

 

OK, good you know how to listen.  Your scouts know what they want and you agree with them.  You didn't even need to use suggestion or Jedi Mind Tricks to get them to do what you want.

 

I told them I would make it happen.

STOP!  You tell them  "I will help you make it happen."

Your PLC should be the voice of the change.  If you wanted to impose stricter uniform standards on the troop you could have used Jedi Mind Tricks and asked the PLC "What can WE do as a troop to encourage wearing of the uniform?"  and guided them to better uniforming.  As it turns out, they want more uniforming already so the same question (with out mind tricks) can be asked.

See what the scouts come up with.  My current troop has used a scout-originated, scout-conducted uniform inspection at the start of each meeting.  Points are tallied and a prize awarded at the end of the year.  This really helps, our scouts even wear single-badge or empty merit badge sashes since a sash adds an extra point.

Once they have a good idea (or Scoutmaster/Jedi Master Yoda has steered them to a good idea [while letting them think they came up with the idea and OWN it]) let them announce it to the troop.  Not you.  You should only be speaking for the 60 seconds necessary to deliver your Scoutmaster's Minute.

Maybe ... A change in uniform. Maybe UCs should only wear BSA dress (blue blazers) when fulfilling their duties. Keep them them from walking into the room with a row of knots and WB beads and a commish patch.

 

So, they enter the room looking very clearly like they are not an integral part of troop life. They look like service people not field people. They aren't a unit's "spare SM". They shouldn't look anything like one.

That's not a bad idea.  I already mentioned being a commissioner to a pack and a troop.  The troop's SM and ASM wore the Expedition Hat ("Indiana Jones") for "undress" occasions (regular meetings and outings) but had bought campaign hats to wear to Courts of Honor.  "Cool," I thought and got a used one off of ebay.  Wore it to the pack's Blue and Gold dinner.  Word got back to me third hand that maybe that was a little over the top.

So a UC does the work that a DE should, but for no pay?

 

Sounds like BS    A.

Yup, we were the DE's volunteer henchmen.  Every district problem: FOS, membership, etc. was brought up at commissioner meetings.  I think some councils (Cradle of Liberty is one) started assigning Quality Unit Executives to districts to act as paid commissioners, I guess freeing the actual DE up for fundraising and boy talks.

00Eagle,.

 

You make an interesting analogy in that one unit was too much and the other just right.  I'm sure there's another unit out there that might have been too little.

 

How is training going to help the UC know which unit is which?

 

I don't think training will help, only experience.  National likes to think that anyone can be trained as a commissioner and visit units and fill the 1:3 ratio.  In reality, unless you're experienced as an SM/ASM you don't know what to look for.  I relied on what I saw in my two troops growing up and two troops I helped in college to know what was right/wrong and what worked/didn't.  I've seen solid patrol method (patrol competition, patrol chuckboxes, patrol offices filled and functioning [the patrol grubmaster would actually buy the food the patrol picked, the patrol QM kept track of and maintained the equipment in the chuckbox]) and no/little patrol method (RED FLAG: the troop has two patrols but lines up in a single line in rank order for opening flags without a patrol formation).

Maybe the districts need to go to a Commissioner Corps idea where a unit contacts the DC and gets assigned a UC until they work through what it is they are concerned about.

Let's take an example under the current rules.  A pack has an assigned unit commissioner and the commissioners and pack leaders determine the pack has a recruiting problem.  The UC reports this to the DC as expected.  Ideally, the district has a membership guru: someone who can help this pack with recruiting, maybe the district vice chair for membership.  Either the guru mentors them on how to conduct a successful recruitment and/or the DE goes into the school for a "boy talk."  But something's supposed to happen. 

I've heard of cases where a district had a great motivational speaker who could go into a parent meeting of a failing unit and motivate the parents to step up and fill vacant leadership positions, saving the unit.  Not every district has one of these people around.  If commissioners can connect units to district resources great, but if there are none, what's the point of having commissioners.

I agree it's broke until all of the stakeholders can agree what the commissioners should do.

What the BSA wants:

a dedicated corps of volunteers carrying out the Unit Service function of a local district.  National wants at least one commissioner for every 3 units and wants the commissioner to hold no other role in scouting.  They want the commissioner to act as a coach and mentor and to uphold BSA standards but not quite at a "council cop" or "uniform police" level.  Commissioners are supposed to visit their assigned units once a month (not necessarily in person or at a unit meeting) and report on them as well as assist with re-chartering.  BSA has not changed the unit to commissioner ratio or visit frequency to reflect the availability of electronic communications.

What the district wants:

to make JTE goals by having enough visits logged into UVTS even if they have to dual-hat commissioners, assign unit leaders/assistants as commissioners to their own units, or have commissioners serve more than 3 units.  Also they want to use the commissioner staff as the DE's henchmen and round out volunteer shortages in the other district service areas (membership, finance, program) even to the point where commissioners are tasked with making FOS presentations to their own units (VERY BAD!) or at least

What the commissioners themselves want: varies.  Stick around and serve after "retirement", have coffee at roundtable with the old guard, help units, volunteer in a minimal commitment position, etc.

What the unit wants:

IT DEPENDS.  Make the council guy go away, we don't need to see him.  We need a commissioner now (when they really need additional adult leadership)!  and everything in between.

When they can get all that straightened out, maybe we can fix the problem.  Being a commissioner should be a calling, not a Wood Badge ticket item to do for a year.  BSA should get rid of the ego-stroking associated with the position.  Eliminate the statements on how commissioners are "commissioned officers" of the BSA and wear a "wreath of service," the "commissioning" ceremony mentioned in the training guide, and the whole "Doctor of Commissioner Science" nonsense.

Fix/eliminate emphasis on unneeded metrics from unit and district JTE.  A commissioner shouldn't need to beg or encourage a unit leader to fill out a JTE form.  A unit leader shouldn't have to rifle through mounds of paperwork to compute advancement statistics, especially when council has those numbers, but does not provide them in a timely manner.

Re-charter should not be so complex that you need a commissioner to help you through it.

Change the commissioner structure.  Have "visiting commissioners" (generalists) that actually make the bulk of the unit visits.  They can make in-person visits once every 4-6 months and should serve maybe 12-15 units (too high?).  They can report up to the ADC or DC on any problems observed and any problems or concerns the units self-report.  An action plan can be developed, the commissioner can visit more frequently and a "targeted" commissioner can be assigned.  "Targeted" commissioners do not routinely visit units.  They specialize in a specific area and are assigned when needed.  Target areas can include membership (recruitment/retention, Webelos transition), cub scout program (bad outings, boring pack meetings), boy scout program (outdoor program weakness, patrol method weakness), and parent involvement/leadership recruitment.  Add a skilled diplomat who can address units with infighting or turmoil, assign mentoring commissioners to units with new leaders, and continue the practice of assigning new unit specialists to recently chartered units.  Let commissioners find a role that suits them.

MY EXPERIENCE

I was a commissioner from late 2011 to late 2013.  I managed to annoy one pack (or one leader*) to the point of removal.  My bad! I tried to "coach" too much when they were already highly-functioning.  I had no mentoring from an ADC and did not heed the low-key warnings the DE was giving me.  Actually showing up every month to a meeting was too much for them. 

Yet I was highly successful with the one troop I was assigned.  They had a severe leadership shortage/parent involvement issues.  Both my "coaching" and presence were welcomed and I even took the troop to summer camp as commissioner (backed up by a 19 year old college scouter) because the SM and First ASM were taking the older scouts to Philmont and couldn't cover both.  Eventually, I got co-opted as their second ASM, but was asked by the DC to remain as their UC.

I have no desire to serve as commissioner again unless the role is redefined.  After taking a couple years off I'm only Troop Committee (and help Alpha Phi Omega chapters with scouting involvement

*=the pack trainer, who was really the power behind the throne and had the DE's & DFS's ear

@@Krampus you're not from New Jersey are you? 

My Wood Badge Scoutmaster is big into horror films and monster movies and was talking about the Krampus and doing "Krampus Night" years before the recent film was announced. 

Interesting publication there 00Eagle, thanks for pointing it out. I had never seen it before. I see a few catch-all codes, for example, it is difficult to think of a non-religious organization that could not be squeezed into code 102: Clubs, Other. So my suspicion is that this SE in Utah decided he wanted to pass the buck to National, and the code system gave him a good way to do it.

I hadn't seen the code list, but knew it had to exist.  It's how they report chartering percentages nationally, e.g. this many Elks lodges, this many Catholic parishes,...  So I googled for it.

@@00Eagle, wouldn't these advocacy organizations fall under "Community Action Group—Nongovernmental"?

  Who knows.  I'm sure a resourceful DE can figure it out if he smells a new unit and new members.

I hope the BSA will explain that statement about new troop applications needing to be approved by national.

I think that if the prospective charter partner does not have a recognized "code," National level approval will be required to allow the unit to charter.

If the CO falls under an existing code, it can be approved locally.

Codes are on PDF page 131 (printed page number 125)

http://www.scouting.org/filestore/membership/pdf/522-925_wb.pdf

Edited to add:

I was trying to remember where I had heard that.  it turns out it's the last paragraph of the revised chartering agreement (http://www.scouting.org/filestore/membership/pdf/524-182_web.pdf)

All new organizations applying for a charter must have an approved code issued by the National

Council. As a private organization, the Boy Scouts of America is the sole arbiter of whether it will issue

a charter to any organization. The Boy Scouts of America may deny a charter for any reason or revoke

a previously issued charter failure to abide by these guidelines.

I'd submit the award form.  The form is first processed by the local Council Advancement Committee.  I'm sure they'd rather look at one of these forms than an Eagle appeal ;-)

Once there, they can decide whether recognition is warranted: a local council Certificate of Merit or forwarding to National for higher awards (National Certificate of Merit, medals).

A follow up question might be: How many scouters under 55 wear the campaign hat.

I'm 33 and have one but seldom wear it.  I got one back in 2012 when I was newly-appointed commissioner to a local troop and the SM and sole ASM would wear them to courts of honor while wearing the BSA expedition hat for "undress" occasions.  I decided to get one too and kept it as I was absorbed into the troop as ASM (before retiring for a bit and then coming back as committee).  Unfortunately, the SM and lead ASM have stepped down and I'm the only one left with a campaign hat.

Another reference here: http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/09/05/patrol-method/

You're preaching to the choir here.  It's an awkward term and does not contribute to esprit de corps like "Senior Scout," "Leadership Corps," or "Venture Patrol" did.  One in-district troop (which served a surrogate "big brother" to the troop here in town) has a venture patrol that made their own "Troop XYZ Venture Patrol" jackets as if they were a varsity sports team.

Not a good choice but it helps eliminate the "overloading" (a computer science term) of the venture name.  It was a little hard (almost a shibboleth) for a novice to get it correct:

venture patrol: in troop program for older scouts

venturing crew: separate chartered unit, can be co-ed

venture crew: not correct, but common (the term was used for the in-troop component before 1998)

venture scout: not correct (at least when applied to members of a venturing crew).  OK in the UK before the last program change to describe a 16-20 yo member

venturer: OK to describe members of a venturing crew

venturing scout: not OK (may be OK in Canada)

I heard about it here: http://listserv.besteffort.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1507&L=scouts-l&P=R18303&1=scouts-l&9=A&J=on&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4

It will probably take some time for the new term to trickle down and appear in Troop Program Features and elsewhere.

So did you log into my.scouting.org and look at the membership roster for each unit?

Are they a venture crew a separate unit or does the troop maybe only have a venture patrol?

Cause I've run into units who don't know what they have cause nobody has looked at the paperwork.

I mean if you don't have an actual separate committee for the venture crew is it really registered as a crew? 

It could still be a crew, just that the Committee Chair (CC), Charter Org Rep (CR), and committee members (MC) on both rosters are the same people.  You would indeed need to compare the unit rosters to be sure.  You should be able to request a copy of the rosters from the district/council.  In fact any council-level volunteer should be able to pull your training roster from myscouting.  It only lists those members who have reported training but with mandatory YPT, every adult should appear along with occasional scouts and venturers that have taken NYLT and other courses for camp staff.  The only hard part is decoding the position codes (M = youth member, NL= crew advisor, NA = associate advisor, etc.)

In a way I'm sort of glad that the name "venture patrol" has been removed from the troop program because of the confusion between the in-troop program and venturing crews.  The names were too similar and caused confusion for the new and inexperienced.  Unfortunately, calling them "older scout patrols" isn't the answer either.

How about National President of the BSA?

Chief Scout!  Let Gates and others handle the boardroom business.

As a guess, a BSA program for Mormons who are not Americans just wouldn't make any sense.

 

The people who become members of the LDS in other countries convert to Mormonism not Americanism.

 

It would be the equivalent of having every Catholic troop in the US be members of Scouting Italy or all the Lutheran troops be part of Scouting Germany.  Although there is a world wide scouting movement of which we're a part, if you look at BSA there is a lot of it that is very culturally and nationally specific.  How would Citizenship in the Nation as a merit badge make sense if you were Brazilian?

Funny you should mention that.  My old boss is Ukrainian Catholic, and it seems that every Ukrainian Byzantine Catholic and Ukrainian Orthodox Church has a chapter of Plast (Ukrainian scouting).  But that's more an effort to preserve the Ukrainian language through an immersion program.

Miami_Chief, what are the "4 functions" of a district? Advancement, activities/events, training/Roundtables and supporting units (commissioners?) If so, I got 3.5 out of 4 without knowing there were 4 specific functions. And then what does the District Committee do, oversee the performance of the committees/commissioners carrying out those functions? (You would think I would know this after 15 years as a Scouter, but I have intentionally avoided getting involved at the district level except for being a YPT facilitator at district "training days" - which is the one "function" I left out, assuming I got the others correct.)

Program: includes District Advancement Committee ops (merit badge counselor lists, eagle boards, etc.), Training, Camporees, Klondikes, Cub Day camps, Cub Family Camps, etc.

Finance: Family FOS, Popcorn, Community FOS (hitting up local business to donate)

Membership: roundup/recruitment, marketing, relationships (religious and otherwise)

Unit Service:  Commissioners and Roundtables

Ideally, a district would have 3 vice-chairs for each of the first three functions with committee chairs under them.  This is frequently found in districts in the Lake Wobegone Council (where all the districts are above average!) but seldom elsewhere.

Don't use any social media for the troop.

I can't really fault you for that.  While some of my organizations (generally composed of college graduates in their 20s and 30s) use Facebook heavily and sometimes as their sole means of communication, I see several problems with social media communications:

1.) Not every parent (or custodial grandparent) is Facebook savvy.  For other forms (e.g. Twitter or instagram) it's even worse.

2.) Not every scout is old enough for Facebook (13 is the minimum age)

3.) Teens are now avoiding Facebook like the plague because their parents and grandparents are on there.  They've switched over to other sites and apps.

Of course not everyone reads email, not everyone texts and phone chains are obsolete, so you probably have to send a message out three different ways to make sure everyone gets it.