koolaidman

Welp. There ya go. Merit Badge Sash on the belt. See what it leads to?

I for one welcome the change from tiger cub (with logo that looks like it is designed to appeal to toddlers) to tiger.

Cub Scouts Design Objectives Slide 7: Opportunity to Enhance Fun w/ Academics & Sports Pgrm

Cub Scout Change Summary Slide 11: Changing - Academics & Sports program discontinued 5/15

 

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I think they are a misdirection of focus. They boys are better served working on rank items and doing them well.

Hey now, nothing wrong with embracing a small lightweight tool as long as it serves more than 1 function. This pump can also be used as a small fan to help with a humid texas night, or help start a fire. Seems more useful than a dutch oven.

My neoair came with a bag pump like that it is a real pain in the butt.

 

I use one of these

 

http://www.camp-tek.com/index.html

 

Highly recommend it.

I've been looking at the Big Agnes Pumphouse Pad Pump. Has anyone had any experience with this type of pump? The reviews I've seen at MooseJaw are mixed. I never know if those people are actually reading the instructions, or using it as intended, so I thought I'd check here.

http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Big-Agnes-Pumphouse-Pad-Pump_10043754_10208_10000001_-1_

I see that the sports and academics program is to be discontinued for cubbies. Am I correct in assuming this is the end of the big distraction of belt loops?

How's about this.

 

1) tie a clove hitch on a pencil.

 

2) slide the pencil out and slip the long standing rope in it's place. You now have a double half hitch.

 

3) But what if you have this knot tied on different piece of rope. Is it a clove hitch or a double half hitch?

 

 

Stosh

I'll assume the kids actually know the material and their moms aren't just pencil whipping the requirements. If the only sticking point is that their moms are doing the signing, don't sweat it. Play this out to the end. You spend the next five days rearranging your life to accommodate them, they keep blowing you off and they still show up to get their AOL. Then what? Are you willing to die on that hill. Life is too short.

So two half hitches is still the same as a clove hitch? But by reversing the second hitch, in either case, you're saying it's a better knot as it won't come loose. You just need a new name for reversing the second hitch. By the powers vested in me, I now pronounce this new knot the JobBob Hitch.

 

I agree that a clove hitch won't hold a canoe. Been there done that. While looking at images for this great debate I found the spar hitch, rolling hitch, and constrictor hitch, http://scoutpioneering.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/hitches1.jpg, all of which seem like they'd hold the canoe better. The spar hitch was originally meant to keep horses from wandering, so kind of like a canoe. The constrictor looks easy and a bit more secure than the spar. There's also a knot called a double constrictor.

 

Enough with knots. Time to start thinking about big bird, and how she's going to be cooked.

Just to throw a log on the fire while we're waiting for the turkey to dry out in the oven: Butterfly Knot = Larks Head on the standing end.

Discuss....

(and I'm trying to think of more knoticons, but my creativity is limited lately)

two half hitches:

ǂ or ≠ or =

 

taut line:

Ɇ or ≡

 

bowline:

|)―

 

sheet bend:

□∩

 

 

Timber Hitch:

--∞∞∞<

two half hitches:

ǂ or ≠ or =

taut line:

Ɇ or ≡

bowline:

|)―

sheet bend:

□∩

Timber Hitch:

--∞∞∞<

Bugler?: :-@ (looking right at him, sideeways)

You don't know what you don't know until someone challenges you.

You don't know what all you possibly can learn from a class until you go.

There are many things that can be learned at an IOLS class besides what's on the syllabus:

• How much other scouters DON'T know, and you figure out how much you can rely on them.
  
• Three different ways to do things, when you've only learned one way.
  
• Different views: I thought all the scout troops in my area were heavy campers. My IOLS instructor eschewed campfires (LNT and they make your stuff stinky)
  
• Candid discussions with other people you have never met before can bring out new ideas and attitudes or validate ideas you've come up with independently.
  

More specifically, the young men should go to get more in practice of dealing with adults twice there age. They need to get used to that if they plan to volunteer through college.

The more cynical lesson: Sometimes people don't believe you have the qualifications of your field until you are certified (accountants, lawyers, doctors, engineers, automotive mechanics).

Yes certification is a pain, but do you really want to work with someone who doesn't want to put in the few hours to get it? What else will they not want to do?

My Home Depot has some ~100 lumens headlamps in the gifty area for the holidays. 2 for $10.00. 1 for now, the other for when he loses it (or for dad).

I don't know if I'd rather see incorrect uniforms in the publications or the photoshopped green shoulder loops...

Me and My Dodge 1500 Move it all the Time

 

I guess I could use one or two of those Stoves to heat stuff with on the serving Table.

 

Again Guys I ain't looking for replacement stoves because I don't Backpack Camp..I don't cook for just Scout Troops. I don't just Camp with Scouts. Last Camping trip with Area Outdoor Group we had 60 people all Ages.

 

When You Can Cook for 50+ on that stove by yourself let me Know.

Wanna Impress me cook a 10 lbs Pork Butt on it and Post a Picture of it.

Once you can do that we will work on it till you can cook 450 Lbs of Meat at one time, along with Baked Potatoes, Roasted Corn on the Cob, and 25 Lbs of Pinto Beans all at one time on it.

Used a timber hitch last year' date=' interestingly for its designed purpose. We needed to move some logs for a lean-to we were fixing and the timber hitch was the perfect choice to tie on to the human mule powered line. I have never used the sheepshank. Even its designed purpose is "dumb" IMO.[/quote']

 

Sheepshank isn't one of the 6 scout knots. The sheet bend is, and it's great for joining two lines of different thicknesses (or the same thickness for that matter).

The Sheet Bend is not required anymore is it? It's in the manual, but not required as far as I can tell.

Something that is missing from the discussion is the scout's desires. I had many scouts, who given the choice, would just soon skip it. The scout who had the COH at his house was absolutley adamante that he didn't want a big deal in front of the troop. The presentation at the house was a compromise for his parents. I do like the Aircraft Carrier idea. I wonder if we have one in Oklahoma. Barry

I echo all the above:

Use the small size of your troop to your advantage. It makes doing anything so much easier. You could have your ECOH at your favorite camping spot, bowling alley, skate park, horse ranch, on a boat. Start thinking with your Eagle buddy, "It would be REALLY cool if________________". and go from there. If you've ever been to an ECOH, think of the stuff you'd take out, then add some stuff you'd like to have.

It would be really cool if I had my ECOH on the Tooth of Time...

If you want to end snacks...

 

Give each of them a can of monster and a snickers bar just before the meeting is over.

 

I think that will end the snack demands from the parents.

Most parents don't care about 300 feet and boy led or Patrol day hikes or campouts. Most want a very organized adult led meeting.

Yuuuuuuup.

What everyone above said.

We spend a lot of time in these forums talking about doing the requirements as written and how all these "high speed, low drag" approaches are killing the sanctity of advancement.

 

So then, the requirement says: teach a younger Scout the skills from ONE of the following six choices, so that he is prepared to pass those requirements to his unit leader’s satisfaction.

 

​Since a Venturing scout cannot pass second or first class requirements, clearly this requirement involves working with a Boy Scout. So, go out and find a troop and offer to teach those requirements.

It doesn't say he has to pass, only that he is prepared to pass to his unit leader's satisfaction. Why can't a venture be "prepared to pass to his unit leader's satisfaction?

If a Crew Advisor, Coach or Skipper thinks the Scout is prepared to pass, then it's complete isn't it.

Per the 2013 requirements, younger is only preferred, so there ya go.