hendrickms24

Well I worked hard on Saturday and had a blast with the other scouters.   Love this spring ordeal because of all the laughs.  

As Oldscout448 stated that would be hard to do and Our Lodge promotes service outside scout as well as for scouting.  We have been doing ordeal there for 42 years.  

The rangers just love what we do for them. 

I am foreseeing a conversation with my troops CO going like this

 

"So if we treat Helen  Joe like a boy and something goes wrong as a direct or indirect result we could very well face a lawsuit.

 

If we treat Helen  Joe like a girl and offend her him or a parent, or some trans rights group we never heard of, we face a lawsuit anyway.

 

If there is a local option (is there?) and we say 'No trans' we may get hit as well

 

This is a no win situation if I ever saw one, so why should we not dump scouting as fast as we can?"

 

Right now I can't think of a single answer.

 

you?

I have been thinking about this topic all day since hearing about it and I'm starting to lean towards walking away.  

I think Coed can be a good thing but also think Boys and Girls need a place to call their own.  

An all boy  unit has to have a male present on all campouts. A TG "boy" would not be required to have  a female present, because then it would imply that she was a girl, and she does not want to be treated as one.  My guess is that in the future, Boy Scout Troops will have to have coed leadership present on all campouts.

There goes majority of the campouts.   I had a hard time getting an Adult of any sex to come on troop campouts.  The best way would if you want your TG to come camping you need to come with.  

Because being male is toxic, overtly aggressive, dominant, and socially unacceptable.  The goal of equality is to make everyone the same i.e. feminine.  That's been the agenda now for 50 years.  The rise in ADD, ADHD being a male problem attests to the attempt to medicate the problem away.  Careers for all and paid child raising industry have become the new norm.  The traditional nuclear family has gone the way of the dinosaurs. 

 

Ever notice that all the ills we face today as a society have their root cause in the maleness of our culture?  Why would the BSA not be a target of disdain in that it promotes the male side of the human species.

Stosh,

I could not say it better.   A woman was complaining to a male friend of mine about her not finding a good male that not soft.  He told her he was glad to hear it.  Society and women like her has been pushing for the softer or feminine Male.  Now what are we seeing more young men more and more staying in their parents house jobless.   Connection I would say so. 

 In my neck of the woods, we had one female Venturer whose parents tried to sue because she "ran away" to work at summer camp with her boyfriend. Only reason it didn't go anywhere was because she was 18. Thankfully it all worked out in the end; the two Venturers are now married and the parents and daughter are reconciled. But it got interesting.

 

 

This issue in my eyes is not an issue.  She did not run away she left to work at a job.  Sounds like that the parents were way off base here.  

BSA just needs to go coed.   Their is no reason not to do it. Heck the first thing my son said was they just need to let girls in.

Lol,  pretty much the same thing happened to me !

I did, for my Son's first B&G - of course I was shortly thereafter drafted to become the new cubmaster .

I bet you both learned from your mistake. 

I googled Boy Scouts Cresap's Trail, Straus BSA  and two auctions sites came up but they were old auctions.

Well I'll keep check to see if another one pops up.

Hello All,

I've been looking for a Cresap’s Trail High Adventure patch.

This was a Baltimore Area Council high adventure camp back in the 1980's at Straus Wilderness Area.

I don't think this  Wilderness Area is used by the BSA anymore.

Love to get my hands on one if anyone has a spare one.

Thanks!

Even without the rank, he got the job done.  I don't have a problem with boys who are Real Scouts regardless of rank.

I agree as I told others there where far better scouts that were my friends that never earned Eagle

My apologies for misunderstanding your comments, but somehow I got the impression he was Eagle.  As your last line attests, maybe that's where I assumed incorrectly.

You can take back your Apology Because my son just earned his Eagle Scout rank 22 Days after turning 18.   I'm happy to see him do what he told me when he was a Tiger Cub Scout.       :D      

Hendrick  ya that was me, and one of the scouts was my son who had arrived home from school about one in the morning,  he and the chief deserve a flipping gold  medal or something.  I am still trying to think of something suitable that I can afford.  Who was the draftee who did Meteu? Grab him quick!   for only half an hour of practice he did a stunning job

  

I was told ( two weeks afterward)  that the reason  excuse was that not all the paperwork had gone through for all the adult candidates. So it would not be fair to give a public call out to some scouters and not others.   I just about exploded. It is Not about the scouters!!  It is about the scouts!  and for this you were willing to have 20 or so scouts drive ( or be driven by their proud parents)  for miles only to be told " sorry you arent important enough for us to go to the effort of doing what we promised"  

What in ....

 

This is hard to type without using unscoutlike words

 

I can not think of a better way to make sure those 20 scouts never ever come back.  In fact I would bet on 100% " sash and dash"  assuming they even bothered coming to the Ordeal.

 

I have no plans of quitting the Order, but I have been assured by several other chapters that I would by most welcome and I must admit I am giving it a lot of thought tonight

 

WWW Oldscout

Well the two scouts with speaking parts I think (since I had to leave) were Kyle (from my son's troop) and Steffon.  They are both great young men and hope to get them more involved with the OA.  I did get all the scouts and you something to show how much the chapter and I thanks them for all the help.  I will have to present my token of gratitude at the Ordeal.   I understand your feeling and can only hope for the best out come.  My chapter had no Adults called out because I had not heard back from Lodge and I really did not care.  The youth are what the program about.  I got push back about wanting to help with the chapter Vigil nomination committee.  I was told I was eligible for vigil so could not be on it.  I replied that I do not deserve Vigil period that caught the adults attention.   I hope to see you at the join Ordeal.

Oldscout448, 

First off,  I think I'm the new OA Advisor of the chapter you helped out.  If not very eerie similar to my chapters Callout.  In my instance,  I could not have asked for any better help at the Callout.  Both the advisor and youth members from the other Chapter were great.  The youth arrowman told me that he would help any brother that need help!  He said he would stay for the callout and lead my chapters youth new to the ceremony team.   I had to leave because my son had emergency Surgery but I was told by other adults for my district that it went well.   I hope to see all my OA Brothers that helped out at the joint OA Ordeal in a few weeks.  The reason is I want to recognize them and give them a small gift being such great brothers and fellow scouts.  Please do not quite because I know you help out and are very valuable to scouting program.  That is whether your the Advisor that helped me or another great Scouter. 

Thank your son for me.  I appreciate him taking his Eagle charge seriously.

It's funny to me that you think he is Eagle.  He has three partial merit badges and his Eagle Project to do. 

He has 2.5 months to complete it all but we will see if that gets done.   My AS asked permission to be his pain in the butt until he gets it. 

I laughed and said you do not need my permission.   Wish he would have listen to me since I told him and all scout from the troop to not wait until the last minute.

I did and did not get to enjoy wearing my eagle rank on my scout uniform.     Oh course if he does not get Eagle that is fine because he has learned the important things in scouting.  Leadership, skills and self confidence and they are the highest rank in the BSA.  

I will never understand placing rank patches on the back of the sash.  Boy Scouts are not Cubbies who wear all their ranks earned until the tan shirt which usually just wear Webelos badge. 

So worse case scenario is if they don't let him take Scoutmaster Essentials then Unit Scouter Reserve is what I will register him as.

Thanks for the help.

My son is turning 18 at the end of March  and has told me he is willing to become an Assistant Scoutmaster. 

He has stated that he will help out with attending Camping trip but will limit his Troop meeting attendance. 

I fine with that and having him around on Campout will help me out a lot.  Heck, I have some AS that are no real help to me at all.   

My question is our District has classroom part (sorry forgot the name) of SM training in March before my Son turns 18.

Can he attend the train or does he have to wait until he is an adult?

Thanks.

All,

I keep see people post that Scouts should be able to wear their OA sash at CoH or other big events. 

I think the Merit Badge sash is more important because it show what the scout has accomplished! 

My Son's Merit Badge sash has 43 merit badges on it which is far more then I earned (I think I earned 26 or so.)

It's looks great on him just like it does with a scout with one merit badge on his sash.

The OA sash is nice but the Merit Badge sash is far better for CoH, Eagle dinners, Flag Ceremonies, Etc.

All,

I'm a Knight and this is the first time I have heard about this.

My council does not charter a BSA Troop so maybe that is why. 

The one thing I keyed in to the Letter from Supreme Knight Anderson

is that all Councils need to integrate Squire Circles (Youth version of KofC Councils)

into Parish Youth.  Squires is/was a big Youth Activity for the Knights and now they are phasing it out.

Does this have to do with the BSA membership change NO!   This is about making the parish the focal point of the Family.   

YOS,

MSM

When was it okay for women to wear their shirts untucked? The shirts are not made to be worn like an Military blouse.

"(1) Don't Cubs wear the AoL on the left pocket FLAP???"

AJR2305GDC,

The AOL did go on the left pocket flap when I was a Webelo (30 years ago) but I think that changed when they changed to the tan uniform and started using the oval webelos rank.

I think they are assuming that the scout will have out grown the blue shirt by 9 1/2 years old. This was true with my son, who blue shirt was busting at the seems his first Webelos year.

ALl you need to do is have the adult that was in the OA fill out the Lodge application and pay his or Her dues and they are back in the OA.

Wow wish I had a quarter of the number you all have.

I have 10 scouts on my troops roster but only have 7 active scouts.

The unit is only on its third year but I'm not sure what is causing the unit not to grow. The active scouts and parents all love the way the unit is run but it's been very hard for me to get the numbers up. We are a young troop from 11 to 14 year olds so the leadership is not the greatest but I'm working hard with them and let them lead, plan the meetings and campouts.

I have a couple of troops around the area that are large 100 plus and they really do not promote their units and only have one join scouting night. They get at times 30 news scouts at those JSN. I invite webelos to two to three campouts a year and get positive feed back from Packs that attend our events but they don't seem to join. I know my unit is not perfect and I'm always open to suggestions.

At a lose here,

MSM

Well my troop has checks and balances when it comes to the treasurer. The Scoutmaster get the bank account statements and looks over them so if there is any abuse it will be seen right away. In the perfect world every scouter job would be filled by competent leaders but when you have parents that just drop off their child each week to the Baby Sitters of America its not a perfect world. Is CC and Scoutmaster position not healthy for my marriage? If it is, then my marrage is not very strong in the first place! My marriage has gone through more tough times then what CC and Scoutmaster position can cause. I run the job of Scoutmaster as open as I can and always go to other scouters in the troop and out for advice. I also asked the committee for the okay about anything from buying new equipment to adding events to the schedule. Oh, and if you know someone that is qualified and wants to take over as the Scoutmaster then I'm willing to step down.