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  • Sometimes you just want to drink....

    You ever have one of those scouting days that you just wish there was an adult drinking badge... I am constantly amazed at adults lack of common sense.

  • #2
    OK - We have to hear what's behind this!

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    • #3
      One weekend and 3 popcorn fires leaders that "should" know better and use common sense. One buys his son lunch to eat while selling popcorn and his son just sits and eats for his shift....Another pack squats on our location for another shift and just says no it is theirs (It wasn't) talked to the committee chair for that pack and they say "sorry". Then to top it off I get an email for cm's wife at 2am accusing me of random crap, sigh.....

      I think my cubs are more mature than the leaders sometimes.

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      • #4
        Sigh, unfortunately, most of my grief in scouting has also been caused by adults behaving badly.


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        • #5
          It helps that our CO is the Elks Lodge and we sometimes hold our Pack meetings there. Meeting over, take off uniform, go drink in bar.

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          • #6
            That is really sad

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            • #7
              Hypocrisy has no bounds

              Stosh

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              • #8
                I have never went directly from a scout event to a bar for any reason. Not exactly sure why that makes me a hypocrite.

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                • King Ding Dong
                  King Ding Dong commented
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                  What does district level event have to do with when a troop meeting or campout ends and you are no longer at a scouting event ? I fail to see why you have to slither off to some undisclosed location where no one will recognize you to have a drink. That just sounds creepy to me.

                • FrankScout
                  FrankScout commented
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                  Our district does host events with "adult beverages." So, yes, I guess there is a "double standard" there! Stosh, we're a Legion troop too---It's considered "bad form" if the Commander (IH) offers to buy you a drink and you decline---unless of course there are still Scouts around, then he understands. But I think we've all had those troop meetings after which we'd gladly accept the Commander's invitation!!
                  Last edited by FrankScout; 08-23-2013, 12:20 AM.

                • jblake47
                  jblake47 commented
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                  And I have had the Commander come over to the area where the scouts meet to "see how things are going" only to have to deal with the consequences that the boys knew full well he had had way too much to drink. And yes the Commander has offered to buy me a drink which I graciously accepted a Mountain Dew, straight up in the can. They do serve non-alcoholic beverages at all bars.

                  As far as the other comments about drinking at scouting district events? Well scouts can and do attend and have commented as to knowing who is going to be drinking and who isn't by the clothing they are wearing.

                  Hypocrisy take a significant amount of justification to pull off, so much of the comments haven't really addressed the issue. Of course there are the scouters who smoke in uniform, too. Both legal vices. And if "sneaking off to get a drink" is creepy, then when we discuss why we can't get boys into uniforms, we have adults dumping them so they can have a drink? I find that kinda creepy too.

                  Stosh

              • #9
                For me the Heading next door to the Eagles for a beer after the Pack Meeting is this........

                It shows bad judgement. After a Pack meeting I will have both of my children with me and two additional youth I transport as well. First I will be drinking in front of children who are not my own in a bar....Then getting into a car and driving them home......Even if I was drinking soda what will the scout parents think of my judgement, I doubt they will ask whats in my glass, is that just a coke or a rum and coke or something else.

                There is something to be said for the Cubmaster Scoutmaster ideology.....you should present with a higher moral and ethical standard........ Sure my sons patrol has seen me on my deck drinking and smoking cigars with the neighbors, we have a very tight knit community, The son's patrols are very close friends beyond scouting......But they have never seen me in a bar or getting behind the wheel after..... I

                If you absolutely positively have to go to the Eagles right after the Pack meeting for a beer.....IMO, You should be able to wait till ya get home.......I suggest you go get some help......

                Ya the high level council events have drinks served as well.......But there is NO youth present typically and the folks they are samozzing for donations expect wine and such with dinner..... I don't have a problem with it because there is no youth present.
                Last edited by Basementdweller; 08-23-2013, 07:49 AM. Reason: no paragraphs

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                • dedkad
                  dedkad commented
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                  Not sure why I even care what impressions you may have gathered, but let me set you straight. You have a misconception of our Elks Lodge. It's not some seedy bar where people go to drink and get drunk. It is a family-friendly place with a great pool and outdoor play area that is packed with kids throughout the day. Many of the Cub Scout families are members and hang out there regularly. I agree that in your situation, you should not be taking other people's kids to a bar. That is your situation, not mine.

                • Basementdweller
                  Basementdweller commented
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                  I don't care.....If your drinking with the priest at the catholic church......

                  It is still pretty tacky.


                  So it is still ok for you to knock back a couple then get behind the wheel with your kids in the back seat???????

              • #10
                I'm sorry I started this topic.

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                • dedkad
                  dedkad commented
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                  Yes, apparently light-hearted discussions aren't allowed in this Forum.

                • JoeBob
                  JoeBob commented
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                  Some of the judgmental comments in this thread are depressing. I'm disappointed that some of my forum buddies are so intolerant and quick to condemn.

                  Makes me want to have a drink....

              • #11
                I am entertained by it..... So where the discussion currently stands is it is OK to go aand have a few beers after the Pack meeting as long as your not transporting anyone else's kids home. So the conclusion drawn is that it is OK for a scout leader to have a few beers then drive his kids home from a scout function with some level of impairment.

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                • JoeBob
                  JoeBob commented
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                  I don't see anyone advocating DUI, with or without kids in the cars. Or advocating drinking in the presence of children and then setting the very bad example of driving.

                  Does anyone think that's okay?

                  Anyone?

              • #12
                @mashmaster: Yes, I have had those days. That is why our Pack holds our committee meetings at a bar.

                Just so nobody gets confused, this isn't a Legion bar, an Elks, Eagles, Moose or any other type of social club. It's a regular ol' for-profit bar.

                Our District Commissioner suggested the idea to me a few years ago when we were having trouble getting people to show up to committee meetings. We don't have that problem any more. I've had him, several Council professionals and members of our CO (a church) show up. I've shared beers with all of them, and even (personally) bought a few of them. We announce them on our email list, which goes to the Minister, as well as the church's general delivery mailbox, plus our DE and several other professionals and volunteers at Council.

                The only time I've had a complaint was when our DE had another event immediately afterwards and couldn't change out of his field uniform. I've discussed this with my leadership team, both as a group and as a one-on-one. Nobody has objected to the meeting place. Several have objected to my changing back to a "dry" meeting place.

                The Pack buys soft drinks and sometimes food. Adult beverages, if consumed, are purchased by the consumer. We don't wear uniforms to the meeting, and youth are not invited. If anyone says they have bring their kids, we move the meeting back to the church.

                Do we get drunk? No. Tipsy? No. This one beer (or two if the meeting runs long) helps to get the conversation going. And like a college frat boy, the loose inhibitions of the environment have helped me take advantage of the situation and fill several volunteer roles. It's also helped our committee really gel, since this serves as the "beer around the campfire" that we can't have at an official Scouting event.

                Is it hypocritical? No, not in my mind. We're adults discussing adult issues. Even though I'm CM, I'm not Superman. Sitting in a bar helps underline that point.

                As for Scouting events: No, there is no drinking. Even when we do a "Scout Day" at a sports stadium, there is no drinking. That is a Pack policy. We have our kids to take care of. Our District Picnic has a BYOB policy, but it is also announced to be adults only.

                Now, I'm off to my committee meeting. I'm anxious to see the fireworks when I get back...

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                • Basementdweller
                  Basementdweller commented
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                  "It helps that our CO is the Elks Lodge and we sometimes hold our Pack meetings there. Meeting over, take off uniform, go drink in bar."

                  In my area it is rare if ever we see two parents at a scout function......So from my experience that would mean that DED would have a couple of adult beverages and then load his scout in his car for the trip home.

                • King Ding Dong
                  King Ding Dong commented
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                  In my area it is very common for both parents to attend a pack meeting. In fact my wife usually takes the boys home so I can help put tables away and take care of any post meeting business with the other leaders. Though I am more interested in a snack than a drink after a meeting.

                • Basementdweller
                  Basementdweller commented
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                  After tearing down a pack meeting I am more interested in getting home and to bed.....Up at 5:30 to get to work.

              • #13
                Dad was real clever making me work at his beer distributor as a kid. I was in and out of every bar in the county by age 13 and had absolutely no interest in beer since then. I don't complain about meeting occasionally at the CCs house and seeing a beer or two being served, they have soft drinks available so I feel welcome. But, going for a drink to settle your nerves after a rough weekend with adults ... I don't know. Sounds like a recipe for alcohol dependence. I strongly recommend finding other means of de-stressing.

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                • #14
                  The gun laws are such that in my state a person can open-carry a gun on their hip. However, if they put a coat on, they need training and a permit. ??? Say what? What's a coat got to do with one's ability to have a gun on their person?

                  So now we move to BSA. If you wear a uniform shirt you can't drink, but take it off after the meeting, well, then belly up to the bar, pardner.

                  Carrying a gun and having a drink is not the problem, it's only the clothing you are wearing that makes any difference. One could be unable to pass a background check for a permit, so all one has to do is get rid of the coat. Now there's a solution.

                  A person could be a alcoholic, but just don't wear a uniform and drink at the same time. Yep, another good solution.

                  Stosh

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