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    I will be taking my Webelos on their first, and probably only, camping trip without a parent along, and I'm wondering how to work out the sleeping arrangements. I will have up to 7 boys going, and there is not enough room at the site for each boy to have his own tent. If I left it strictly up to the boys, I would have 5 boys who all get along and would all want to share a tent and 2 that are left out. I don't think it is a good idea to bunk the 2 left-out boys together because they both have very different behavior issues that won't mesh well together in a confined space. How do you work out sleeping arrangements on a campout without hurting people's feelings and without making some of the boys miserable?

  • #2
    A five man tent easily sleeps 7 Webelos. Or, use smaller tents that only hold 2-3 Webelos. In general, I ask adults to be at the ready to bunk wih their behavioral disorder kids.

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    • #3
      GTSS A Webelos Scout may participate in overnight den camping when supervised by an adult. In most cases, the Webelos Scout will be under the supervision of his parent or guardian. It is essential that each Webelos Scout be under the supervision of a parent-approved adult. Joint Webelos den/troop campouts including the parents of the Webelos Scouts are encouraged to strengthen ties between the pack and troop. Den leaders, pack leaders, and parents are expected to accompany the boys on approved trips. So they way I read this is the parents are not required on a den campout, but are on a den/troop campout. Or is it only encouraged ? If the two will really make the others miserable then separate. I would also suggest having the parents along of those boys, maybe at a distance if independence is your goal. If you have problems with them they cannot sleep in your tent.

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      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        No where does it say a parent is required.....Another made up rule.

        Each boy must have an adult who is responsible for them......That is what is written. I take large groups of webelos, 10-15 to summer resident camp every year with the DL, myself and SPL......Never once has the camp batted an eye about it.

        I would take smaller tents and back the boys sleep in pairs...... Because 5 boys in a single tent you will never get any sleep.

    • #4
      Discipline issues increase exponentially with the number of kids in a tent. With a whole patrol or den in one tent SOMEBODY is always awake yacking.

      Our patrols have several two-man tents and one three-man, just to accommodate an odd number. But even with odd numbers, we very rarely have three guys in the three-man tents. Usually someone sleeps solo. But that's Boy Scouts.

      Divide and conquer. I would suggest putting the guys two to a tent with the odd guys in separate tents. Webelos may or may not want to tent solo, so put three together or let the single guy tent with a parent.

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      • #5
        I had a backyard campout when my youngest son was a Webelos Scout. Decided to bunk all 7 in one tent, 10x12. MISTAKE! Most wanted to be quiet and sleep, but 2 wanted to cause trouble, and there was not quiet until almost 2 am. Other than the getting-to-sleep part all went well, but if I have another campout with my current Webelos Den, I'll separate them for sure!

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        • Basementdweller
          Basementdweller commented
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          Wow that's incredibly weak...Why not actually go to a camp???? or call big brother troop to host you????

        • dedkad
          dedkad commented
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          BD, you know absolutely nothing about his pack or his den. This could have been some or all of the boys' first-ever camping experience. Maybe all the nearby campgrounds charge outrageous fees and the pack and families are low-income. Maybe they were all busy and could barely squeeze in a quick overnighter nearby. Maybe he has an absolutely amazing backyard that is far better than any crummy public campground with wall-to-wall people. A backyard camping trip is better than no camping trip. If you want people to listen and respect your opinion, then I think you should reconsider how you deliver your message.

        • Basementdweller
          Basementdweller commented
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          It is a her and unless she owns 10 acres it is weak....So why bother pitching a tent....why not just sleep in the video game room.

          My unit is low income....There are plenty of free and cheap camping options......I bet if she posts her location I can find a dozen within an hour drive.

          I would never take a scout unit to a public campground, especially cub aged boys......This is one of our public image problems.

      • #6
        I agree with two, no more than three in a tent. Everyone will sleep better!

        However, several years ago, I had a large group of scouts (about 50) up at the Bruce Peninsula in Ontario. We were short of tents, but had a 6 man, adult tent available. We had a real good group of 2nd year Webelos with us. I was not their Den Leader, but had camp with all of them before. I did not think I would have any trouble with any of them. After threating them with death, if they were not quiet, I put 5 of them in the one large tent.

        They spend 3 nights together, and had a great time. They were also, very good about being quiet at night. They are all going into11 the grader now, and still talk about the good time they had together, when they were Webelos.

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        • #7
          This is what I did. Every boy listed 2 boys on a sticky note that he would like to tent with. And we have a discussion about treating everyone well. (one of our den norms). The discussion went like this, "you will get to tent with at least one of your guys on the sticky. No 'celebrating' when you hear who you get, 'be cool'. You may be also in the tent with someone who is not your best friend, that is okay too because getting along with other guys is one of the things scouts is about and I am so proud of how you all do that." Also there is a talk about "adults are in charge and if a tent combination is not working -- going to sleep or whatever there might be a change".

          Then as an adult decision we organized the tents with the best combinations for the den as a whole. Each boy was with at least one of his buds. (I suggest a 3 and 4 combination in your case, but a 3, 2, 2 combination might work based on what is on the cards.) At camp after the tents are all set up have each tent have an "open house" for each other so they don't feel excluded. Take an extra 2 person in case you need to make a change.

          Hope that helps

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          • Twocubdad
            Twocubdad commented
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            "... what their normal bet times and rise times are..."

            Okay, I really am laughing out loud at that one. You've never been to Scout camp before, have you dedkad?

            I realize this is still Webelos, but do you guys really think making tent assignments requires this much adult involvement. How about, "hey, ya'll figure out who your sleeping with."

          • Basementdweller
            Basementdweller commented
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            I agree with 2cubs...you obviously have never done it before.....

            you have the guys buddy up before you leave.

            Your right about bed times......many parents of these boys have no clue it isn't ok for them to say up till 2 am........So the week before webelo resident camp I begin sending out daily reminders to the parents to begin getting their boys in bed by 11pm and up by 7 am.

          • dedkad
            dedkad commented
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            I know, I know, I am totally overthinking this, but I just want to make sure the boys have a good time, which also includes bunking with someone they want to bunk with, and none of them will want to bunk with these problem boys. If I can give them a logical explanation on why the tent assignments ended up the way they did, then they might be more understanding and not feel like they are being punished if they end up in the tent with one of them.

        • #8
          Or..... tell the boys that after dark, they have to be really quiet or the adults won't be able to hear the bears come into camp until it's too late.

          Always works for me.

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          • Basementdweller
            Basementdweller commented
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            I never lie to my scouts......Just tell them it is 10pm or 11pm and it is quiet hours at camp.

            If you run a camp right they will be exhausted and ready for bed.

          • blw2
            blw2 commented
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            I commend you Basement. A lot of folks think these little fibs all in fun are harmless..... usually are.... but a lie is still a lie.

          • jblake47
            jblake47 commented
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            Lies? Over all the years I have never been the first one to see the bear in camp. The extra vigilance inspired by such "jokes" has always made the task of keeping scents out of tents, cleanliness around camp, bear bags hung HIGH, etc. along with not having to be the only one that sleeps with one eye open. If the worst case scenario is suggested, then the lesser issues get taken care of at the same time.

            I've tried it both ways and when the raccoons raid the food sitting out, that can destroy a trek faster than anything else. Mice eating through backpacks, etc. have always taken their toll on the boys. If one instills the concern over bears, the mice and raccoons don't have a chance either.

            These boys are in an environment that they normally don't experience. This isn't Mom telling the boys to turn off the TV/Computer and go to bed, it's 10:00 pm.

            If raccoons are going to raid your camp, they will do it within a half hour of everyone going into their tents. If the boys continue to make noise, one will never hear them raiding the pantry.... until it's too late. These critters aren't stupid. They know how it works.

        • #9
          We practice a clean camp. No food in tents and all food secure except during meal time. All trash is secure

          Every scout camp is loaded with all sorts of mini bears....coons skunks, possums wood rats, mice.....

          Ya we have visitors, but they just move on because there is nothing to eat.

          I don't feel the need to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

          I speak plainly to my scouts....

          it is 10pm camp rules say it is quiet hour....get in your tents. They whine a bit, but hey head in.....on occasion there is a card game magic or poker or rummy in the tents.....Bonding......Brotherhood.....It is good......
          '

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          • #10
            Well just recovered from cub camp last weekend, 23 cubs in 3 eight man tents. First night usual madness with one tent chatting until 2AM. the second night no problems at all All tents asleep by 23:00. The cubs all went home to their parents Sunday afternoon very happy and very tired. Walked across to another couple of packs that were camping too, and they were pretty much the same. I also had 15 scouts from my group camping in four 5 man tents (we do have to separate the girls and boys) in another nearby field. I love the camp site we use, trees, grass and fresh water.

            Cheers

            Gareth

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            • #11
              Well, Basementdweller, during his last 3 years in Cubs we (either the Pack or just the Den or just all the Webelos) had some sort of campout or overnight every single month. All of his Crossover ceremonies were conducted as part of a tent camping weekend at our council camp. We did resident camp at our council Cub summer camp, weekends in tents at the same place, lockins at the church hall, science center, and gym, weekends at state parks and privately owned campgrounds, and winter cabin camping at the next closest council's camp. The single night in my backyard was asked for by the boys when we sat down to plan our Webelos outings, and was held immediately following their first Pack meeting as Webelos (the same night). They made tie dyed Tshirts, homemade pizza, a campfire, and cooked their parents breakfast on our propane stove, and those who were on their first campout learned how to pitch a tent. It was THEIR plan and we did what they asked to be able to do. It was far from weak and was the only campout attended by all 7 boys. Big brother Troop never had to "host" us, but we did camp together with them a couple of times. Call me what you want... but don't call any part of my Cub program weak, because it that is just not so.

              I will go ahead and post my location... I live in Baltimore. While I was in that Pack (I'm in a different Pack now) we camped at Broad Creek, Antietam, Gettysburg, Harper's Ferry, Camp Rodney (Brown Lodge and Fisherman's Lodge), Bee Tree Preserve, Valley Forge, Elks Camp Barrett, Elk Neck State Park, the Flying Circus, and Fort McHenry.

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