Eagle732 27 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I see erosion of our rights almost daily. Link to post Share on other sites
Beavah 205 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Yah, Eagle732, like what? Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle732 27 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 http://www.dallasnews.com/business/autos-latest-news/20121207-feds-proposed-auto-black-box-mandate-raises-privacy-concerns.ece Link to post Share on other sites
acco40 95 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think many today have a very warped sense of what "freedom" really means. They had an article on the news about "black boxes" on all cars sold in the USA by 2014 - the contents of which can be viewed by law enforcement. One may argue the merits and cost of such a law but either way - we have not lost any freedoms. No one forces us to buy a car. To often, when one runs into a regulation or law one does not agree with, the "freedom" card, much like the "race" card by others is pulled out. Right now, our country is polarized politically. Nearly everyone feels abortion should be minimized - and there are a myriad of way to do that. Examples: by making it a criminal action, making contraceptive cheaper and more readily available, forced sterilization, etc. Unfortunately, as a society we don't seem to want to come together and really work on ways for trying to minimize this procedure. Instead, we (seems mostly male too, I might add) hurl rhetoric back and forth. Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle732 27 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 or this: http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech-technology-and-liberty/does-government-want-read-your-texts-and-emails Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle732 27 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 You're right acco40 you can not own a car and walk everywhere. Your choice. If I had the choice I wouldn't buy a car with one, but when every car has one and authorities have access to the information, without a warrant, then I consider that an erosion of my rights. Link to post Share on other sites
Brewmeister 132 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I wonder if qwaze's experience would have been any different if they put down prayer blankets instead of lawn chairs..... Link to post Share on other sites
moosetracker 132 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I guess I have mixed feeling about all the tracking. Remember it was legislated and started under Bush, but Obama has continued and raised them. So the tracking is from both parties. Right now you have those who are irked by the tracking and state it is a loss of freedom, but I believe the same people would be the most vocal if another 9/11 attack occured in demanding answers as to why the Government did not know and stop the attack before it occured. Would be demanding compensation for the victims, and if under a Democratic President would probably demand impeachment. If we were to return to a "No tracking" rule our society would also have to understand they can not blame government for any terroist attacks that occur.. Goverment would need to be considered blameless.. I understand some people feeling the tracking as a loss of freedom. Personally if they want to track my email or track my car have at it. They will be bored.. I'm not planning to murder anyone, rob any banks or plan a terrorist attack.. If I mistakenly hit someone with my car, I will wait for emergancy help rather then do a hit and run. No internet porn, no wild extra-marital affair over the internet.. Perhaps the government might like to read my xmas wish list I emailed off to my family and pick me out a nice gift from it, after all I still have not recieved my promised Obama gift.. Uncle Sam Santa, ho, ho, ho.. I remember my Brother-in-law griping over the EZ pass being a way to track people on the roadways.. It was true, when a women went missing the found her car entered the EZ pass system at one place and never exited.. Found her car in the woods where it had crashed and was out of sight of the vehicals on the road. I think they saved her life with it.. So there are some positives with this tracking. It is amazing what terrorist pre-planning plots have been broken up with it. But, I think I would be happy with society not demanding this type of superhuman ability from the government, and for the tracking to stop, simply because there will come a time that the terrorist will out smart us. It will only take one time for holy hell to break out because the government wasn't superhuman. Anyway America can't have it both ways ultra protection from the government against terrorists while doing absolutely no tracking to accomplish this feat. As for "Giving up freedom without a fight". I just recently saw the signs of many Americans fighting for their freedoms that warmed my heart.. All those voters who came out and stood in those long voting lines for 8 to 12 hours.. It was a protest against a group of people trying to suppress their voting rights.. I really felt the suppression was going to work, people would be discouraged to vote.. When I saw it, it was like those old western movies where the cowering town taken over by the outlaws, suddenly as a group came out of their homes onto the street to overpower in numbers the bad guys.. I was so proud of the American people.. You have seen it in smaller number also, like when the Latinos presented Obama with a way to pass a version of the Dream Act by Executive Order, which Obama carried out for them. Michigan has twice optain truck loads of signatures on a petition which caused their Govenor to backtrack on policies he was implementing.. Anyway if you look for them you can find people who are allowing the system to roll over them, and do not stand up against it. Or, you can look and find people who will stand up in protest and actually win the war against government. The glass is half full, it is how you choose to look at it. Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle732 27 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Hey moose. was it those pesky Black Panthers out there suppressing the vote again? Link to post Share on other sites
moosetracker 132 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 What the one sighted, just standing on the sideline? They have the right to vote also.. From the video, he was anything but scary, but maybe it is just the sighting of a black person that scares you? No, the one black panther standing peacefully on the sidewalk near a voting place was not the cause of the 8 to 12 hour lines every urban polling place (which tend to vote Democrat) in Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Utah & Pennsylvania.. Try again. Link to post Share on other sites
Basementdweller 608 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 The Black box in the car................ Honestly, it revels the truth of an accident irregardless what the witnesses say. I am good with it. If I caused the accident while speeding, not wearing my seat belt, weaving back and forth while texting, the least I deserve is my own truck or car ratting me out. Haven't you seen the Progressive insurance commercials where you plug in a data recorder to your car and then send it into them for a better insurance rate?????? Snap shot savings or something they call it. Again, Who cares if the goverment reads my emails or txt messages, I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING EMBARRASSING ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL. Link to post Share on other sites
Brewmeister 132 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The myth of voter suppression is hilarious. Voters were so suppressed that by your own admission they turned out in droves to vote...ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle732 27 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Republican voters were suppressed in Maryland since we are 80% Democrat here. Oh, I mean DEPRESSED, not suppressed Link to post Share on other sites
moosetracker 132 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 That is the great thing, GOP tried to discourage voters because they figured noone would wait for riduculous hours in lines. Backfired, because they made voters angry. Florida was the worst backfiring because after coming up with a 9 page ballot in order to slow down voting, they were stuck trying to run them through the scanning machines, for days & days & days after the election.. Lets see who is crying "Fowl" of trying to Filibuster a proposal that will soon go through Congress to fix this problem.. I bet it will not be the Democrat Congressmen. Eagle732, Democratic Governments did not try to suppress voters either Democrat or Republican, therefore your voting rights (even if voting Republican) was protected. I also had no problem being in a rural area, which was more Republican then Democrat and having a mixed government, although other things were attempted.. So cry me a river.. Anyway the comment was not to sink us into an arguement to which Republicans choose to be blind over and regardless of the mass amount of proof will deny.. It was to celebrate those Americans who did not give up without a fight. If you were someone who stood in a long line on election day, you have my admiration and thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Brewmeister 132 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Oh, ok, sorry Moosetracker, I didn't realize there was one super-streamlined ballot for voting GOP and one ultra-complicated ballot for voting for all other parties. And of course, there's the fast-track voting lines that are just for card carrying Republicans, en so? Like I said, it's a patently ridiculous claim that is disproven by your own admission of voter turnout.(This message has been edited by Brewmeister) Link to post Share on other sites
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