dennis99ss

LOL

His brother is trying for USMA or USMMA. This one surprised us recently and said his brother's ideas are growing on him, but wants to look at USCGA or USNA. I told him that if he continues to build upon what he learned during the project, anything is possible and go for it. It is fulfilling watching them grow.

~~didn't want to seem like I am blowing the horn for my boy's project, but, I am glad its done. And, it may give an idea to someone else, and, it may convince someone to go ahead and take the risk and work on that hard project. 4 weekends is a long haul for a project. but, I have seen, both with him, and other projects that we did when I was SM until earlier this year, that the harder the project, and, the longer the project, i.e., multi day projects, that the boy leader, eagle candidate grows much more during the process than a more simple project. During this project, he became more at ease with his role of leadership and delegation, and control, both with the scouts, and, to a more important aspect, with the adults, who wanted to do their thing instead of his as the project progressed. I always encourage any scout to take the risk, stick your neck out, go for the big project you want to do instead of just something that is easy in order to fulfill the requirement. I think the boys who do take the risk get more out of the experience.

posted on the beneficiary facebook page. 56 workers, 777 hours. its about 3 articles down from the top. I especially like all of the positive comments, and more so those that praise eagle projects.

https://www.facebook.com/saintfranciswolfsanctuary

I wonder if we can get a homemaker badge, a sewing badge, and an alternative lifestyle badge now?

Parkman:

Really. CO's have given their ok to this. You don't look at the news much do you. Southern baptist is up in arms about it, threatening to pull, or advise their members to to pull their CO status. Catholic is fairly limited comment, but it sounds as if it is leaning towards following the baptists, just not as vocal. Mormans--I bet they start their own.(edit--my bad--Mormans already allow gays)

When i became SM two years ago, my paster told me that he is supportive of the Boy Scouts, as long as it does not conflict with catholic values. This greatly conflicts with catholic values in my opinion. We are considered a ministry of the church. The church is not going to support a ministry that is so openly counter to its beliefs. So, my 50 boy scouts, and the 100 or so cub scouts may lose a CO. I bet it is just a start.

But, I believe the real issue, besides the moral issue, is that national is doing this as a risk transfer move. National can say, hey gays, don't complain to us, look at the locals. The locals are going to say--to much trouble for me to deal with--goodbye bsa.(This message has been edited by dennis99ss)

We have sign up sheets at the meetings, and then follow up with emails to the troop. We then have a full list.

we have an adult coordinator both as a position in the troop, and one specifically for each campout to arrange the campout. They get the permits, reservations, tour approval, etc.

Since 2we have a list of who is going, and who is driving, we meet at the charter organization at a predetermined time. the boys pick which vehicle they go in. Once everyone on the list is crossed off, we leave.

very seldom do we have any request for reimbursement. sometimes for long summer camp trips, or where the trailer is pulled for 3-4 hours each way we get it. Troop pays for it, and it is divided among the scouts who attend out of scout accounts.

we do adult meals the same. emails go out, adults pick a meal they want to cover, and take care of it.

Basically, the excuses for the sale, i.e. wastewater/sewer plant, noise level, deferred maintenance caused donors not to want to donate to the camp, are all excuses for the money grab. just imho

Basement:

We did use the camp, probably two times a year, but, as a camping facility, i.e. camp with the Webelos, Wedelos woods, and some times just because it is very close to us and easy to get to, and shooting sports are allowed.

But, with regards the urban setting, for those of you not in or around or familiar with Houston, Strake was originally logging and oil land, owned by the Strake family. As I understand the donation back when, it did have a covenant that it could not be sold. However, the Strake family sits on the board and has given the ok.

There are 2000 plus acres, some of which are classified as flood plain, but, a little earth movement and retention ponds/lakes would probably take care of that.

Strake is just north of the Woodlands. The Woodlands is a master planned, (what is probably considered) upper middle class community, that is currently having increasing home sales, and never really dropped into a negative sales range during the past several years. Plus, Exxon's new world campus, where about 10-12000 people will be working is about 15 minutes south of the Strake land. It is a gold mine. Put a golf course in the flood plain areas, build a gate around the entire community, and sell the lots for 100k plus, somebody makes a bunch of cash.

I get the summer camp problem being in the middle of things, but, once you were on the land, there was no indication of an urban setting because of the size of the land.

Summer camp has not been there for a couple decades I believe.

I had heard it is one of the busiest camps in the council.

Like others, I too wonder what a 21st century camp is. It will not be a summer camp as the council just spend its wad on another camp for its summer camp options.

But, back to the original thought--A camp that is wooded, in the middle of an urban setting, that is big enough to block out the noise, etc., certainly has a benefit.

And, the wastewater plant, should encompass about 35 acres. About 1.5% or so of the total land.

"On September 6, 2012, the Executive Committee of the Sam Houston Area Council granted approval for a new Land Procurement Committee, chaired by Steve Strake and Stan Stanley, to look for a new Camp Strake location to house a new state-of-the-art Camp Strake for the 21st century Scout in a less urban setting within a 2-hour drive from downtown Houston. If and when we find an appropriate site, we are committed to the sale of the current site of Camp Strake, subject to an acceptable sale price, with the proceeds used to develop a new state-of-the-art Camp Strake and endow it for future maintenance and innovations. A new Land Disposition Committee was authorized to engage a marketing firm to explore the possibility of selling the current site of Camp Strake comprised of approximately 2,175 acres in Montgomery County, Texas.

The possible sale and development of a new Camp Strake could span up to three to five years. Prior to the sale of Camp Strake, a transition plan will address the need to continue to camp at the current site of Camp Strake while the new Camp Strake is being developed. Before entering any agreement to sell the current site or buy a new location, the Executive Committee or Board of Directors must approve the agreements based on criteria recommended by the Camping Visioning Committee.

Please see attached a memorandum from Chairman of the Board, Frank Tsuru, and President/Scout Executive, Tom Varnell, and a "Frequently Asked Questions" document that provides you detailed information regarding this decision. "

what a shame. the council spends no money on this camp, (something like over 5 million not spent on maintenance) it is run down like you would not believe, and then says because there has been a decrease in campers since 1998 -- (no duh, when the place is in disrepair, who wants to go), they want to sell it.

Granted, it is smack dap in the middle of a growing area and is likely very valuable, but, it could have been a diamond, instead, it is thrown out with the coal. Throwing away a little bit of history

I think we use mickman as well, but could be wrong.

Shipping is included in the price as the wreath is sent direct to the purchasor. Makes it great for gifts to family, selling at stores, church, etc. scouts just have to sell it, not deliver it.

great response from the customers, and they last for the entire season.

I am interested to see if you get any responsive ideas on this.

My guess is that it is a self built box.

And to try to address the questions that are sure to arrise. The plc could not come to a consensus. Even when prodded, they could not do so. Even when prodded by other leaders, they could not do so. (or would not do so). Even when indicated that logistics may pose a problem, etc., they decided to do their thing and just say lets offer both. My gut says that one summer camp will be attended in greater numbers than the second, and, that this decision may be one to use in the future as a means to illustrate the need for making a definitive decision......

Can someone advise on how you have handle4d dual summer camps, and how they have worked out. At our plc, the plc decided to offer two summer camps, to two different camps. The camps are not ones which would be exclusive of certain ages. One has more merit badges, and less high adventure, but both camps are typical summer camps, with base camp and a high adventure program. I have indicated i will take one of the camps, and will seek someone else to do the other. But, can someone who has run two summer camps in their troop please advise how this has effected the dynamics of your troop, if at all.

News reports indicate USAFA is closed, with (at least some) cadets evacuated and new class of cadets being housed and inducted elsewhere.

Photos seem to indicate I25 has been changed into one way for the evacuation.

m grumbles.

Sorry to hear about BTSR, but not surprised. Last year it was full to overflowing over July 4 week. A very popular camp.

If you are going 17 hours, that gives you a lot of space to look at.

We are heading to Blue Ridge Mountain, but it is 1100 from us, so add on another 200 for you.

When we were looking, there were a couple of neat looking camps in Kentucky. There is one in Arkansas an hour or two north west of Little Rock--but looked a bit difficult to get into--Bus would have some difficulty i think.

I don't know if lost pines is back up and running. There is Pyrtle in East Texas.

Good luck.

CIMA?

BTSR--they may feel for you because they had fires last year.

Good luck.

Me thinks this is a troll................

no medical no camp no refund--YES

but, is june 21 an arbitrary date? how about medical by the time you leave for camp. if not turned in, no go. If you are leaving for camp on june 21, then yes, june 21 cut off. But if you are not leaving for another week, why not give them some slack. Isn't that why you set an earlier date.

I am just gonna grab the popcorn and watch this one. BSA24 beware the wrath of the OA Gods that permiate this board. lol

I don't know the distance, and this summer will be our first visit to this camp, but outside of Roanoke Va. is Blue Ridge Mountain Scout Reservation. It looks, from what we have signed up for, that there is a large watersport offering.

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BD

No problem then. It will be your show. You need to run with it how you see fit. Since you will be walking the walk, you can talk the talk!!!!

Good luck.

BTW, being SM, beware of what you wish for!!!!

After the season I am going to speak with the coach and principle...the COR, CC and SM have no interest.

BD, I was under the mistaken impression that you were the SM. If the COR, CC and SM do not want the discussion, I don't believe you are the person to go forth with it. It is really not your job, imho. If you feel that it is something you must do, go and become SM, and then do it.

Eagle732. maybe you will see one of my eagles who is attending a camp at the USNA this summer. He wants to get into nuclear engineering of some sort, and the USNA is a top school for it. My son, on the other hand is looking at the USMA--doesn't like the boats but thinks all this hiking and camping and getting paid for it and going to school for it would be ok. (Oh how he will learn)

But, to basement, I think your idea of waiting until the season is over is the right thing to do. BTW, are any of your scouts on the same team, same school, etc. Maybe they can give you a little insight.

I have had so many employees that I thought were the bright and shining star for the future, only to have them tell me their plans were different than what we had thought. Some wanted a change of career. Some found it to stressful. One said thanks for the added responsibility, but I really want less so I can go fishing more ???? (New generation)

You invest your time and effort because (1) it helps the boy, but, (2) because it serves as a sense of fulfillment and accomplishment for yourself as well. If you did all you could do, you should be happy with yourself. "If you love them, set them free"

Probably not what you want to hear, but, look at the positives--He manned up and told you in person. He could have just sent a text. And, i am sure you saw him grow because of your time with him. That should be a sense of pride.