David CO

39 minutes ago, perdidochas said:

So Scouts can only have BORs after requesting one at a committee meeting? Do your committees meet more than once a month? If not, they are doing a disservice to the Scouts, if arranged as described. 

There is 1 formal meeting each month. When we are busy and there is a lot of work to do, they will often get together for an unscheduled lunch meeting. I didn't get invited to the lunch meetings. They want to enjoy their lunch.

I think the boys enjoy doing BOR's at the lunch meetings during the summer. A burger and fries can do wonders to improve their mood and disposition. 

37 minutes ago, T2Eagle said:

I like this quote about her:

"She thinks the boys need to respect and learn how to work with women"

This was a sentiment expressed by one of our Council's key 3 in a talk he gave to all the leaders at summer camp a couple years back.  He reminded us that, in a way that probably wasn't true even for us,  our kids will grow up in a world in which our scouts will have to work with women as their supervisors and superiors, as their peers, and as their subordinates, and if we aren't providing them models for how to do that than we are skipping a big part of what they are going to have to know in life.

Every married man knows that it is marriage that teaches men how to be subordinate to women. The boys will learn that soon enough.

8 minutes ago, carebear3895 said:

Didn't he publicly come out that he was against allowing gays to join? Odd pick considering BSA is trying to go in a progressive/inclusive direction

Not according to Wikipedia. It says he was the first member of the board to come out against the old policy excluding gays.

19 minutes ago, Cambridgeskip said:

I honestly don't know how that works. I'd be interested to know though. Jamborees don't come cheap to run.

What I do know is some recent jamborees (Japan, UK, Netherlands) used the normal venue for music festivals and because they came with existing infrastructure it saved quite a lot of money. The UK venue is the site of the V music festival. Many of the jamboree infrastructure costs were met by Virgin who run the festival.

I guess you don't have that advantage.

Virgin sponsored the jamboree that handed out condoms. That's ironic.

7 minutes ago, an_old_DC said:

By the way, I don’t worry about what a DE or DD thinks.

Neither do I. I work for the Chartered Organization, not the scout execs.

1 hour ago, Hawkwin said:

In other words, we are still well within our right to tell our scouts that it is a violation to engage in such behavior even if the WOSM makes condoms available upon request.

Are we really?

BSA prohibits us from talking to our scouts about sex, even if that conversation is done in a manner and context consistent with the policies and moral teachings of our Chartered Organization. The distribution and use of these items is expressly forbidden by our religion. BSA will be offering these items to our scouts. At the same time, BSA will be prohibiting us from explaining to our scouts why they should not ask for, accept, or use these items.

If BSA is going to be handing out these items, it should, in all fairness, lift its ban so that we can help our scouts to better understand these issues in a moral/religious context.

1 minute ago, ParkMan said:

Yeah - not sure what it is about the BSA, but we always seem to be influenced a lot more by our conservative members.  The GSUSA not so much.

I know what it is. We have Chartered Organizations. They don't.

16 minutes ago, FormerProfessional said:

Whether you have time or make time, it’s still an extracurricular activity...a hobby.  Volunteers with contempt for professionals make the career of Scouting not very enjoyable sometimes.

You can't have it both ways. You can't talk about scouters "drinking the cool-aid", expecting us to give BSA generational loyalty in another thread, and then say that scouting is just a hobby for us in this thread.  

I think you are wrong on both counts.

1 hour ago, FormerProfessional said:

It’s unspoken but yes there is a belief those that “drank the kool aid of Scouting” will always be paid members and give an annual FOS donation even if they arent active. Same goes for enrolling their future children.

It is best left unspoken. BSA is a youth organization. It is not a cult.

9 minutes ago, FireStone said:

Surely this isn't an issue now just because the condoms are being made available on US soil. 

It is...and please don't call me Shirley.

15 minutes ago, FormerProfessional said:

Many, many, many vols are great people and want to help pros succeed. Just like anything there are people that arent so nice.

My experience was that there are some vols that are jealous and some that are offended that professionals get paid to do the hobby the vol does for free. There is animosity among some vols.

Only Professionals, former professionals and their families realize how much they commit and sacrifice to a volunteers hobby.

I know I’m getting under some volunteers skin but for volunteers it’s just a hobby, how much or how little time you put into it, it’s still an extracurricular activity...a hobby.

For professionals it’s their livelihood, the way they make there living and 99% are UNDER appreciated.

So you are saying that those of who feel that executive salaries should be limited are not nice, jealous, and full of animosity. 

6 minutes ago, FireStone said:

If anything, this seems like a well-timed article aimed at taking advantage of other national BSA news to attack the reputation of the organization and exploit current opposition to the various membership policy changes. 

I believe the last world scout jamboree to be held in the United States was in 1967, long before the WOSM policy was adopted. So, it shouldn't be surprising that the topic hasn't received much attention here (before now).

I think it is obvious that the timing of these articles is due to the 2019 jamboree being held in the United States, and has little to do with the other issues. This would have been a "story" even if the membership changes hadn't taken place this year.

52 minutes ago, SouthScout said:

The DEs are not compensated well.

I suppose that one's opinion on that might depend on how much money they make. There are lots of scout families who make do on far less.

I'm sure that liberals would love to be able to aggressively promote their agendas without getting any opposition from conservatives. It isn't going to happen.

Those who like this game might be interested in an article in the June 2018 National Geographic titled, Greed vs. the Common Good.

I was under the impression that it was locked because it contained criticism of the WOSM. 

2 hours ago, carebear3895 said:

There's a lot of hate for those in the profession, including me when y'all don't even know me.  

Hate is a word is being greatly overused now days. If we try to maintain moral standards, we are accused of hate. If we support upholding our laws, we are accused of hate. So it is of little surprise to me that if some of us would wish to limit the salaries of BSA employees, we will be accused of hate.

I don't need to know you in order to come to a conclusion about executive salaries. I can read the numbers. 

13 minutes ago, Chris1 said:

And the option of moving the troop to a new CO and continue running it the same way. And there are always concerns about enough volunteers, but it can work.

Since the LDS are forming a new program, I would imagine that they will be wanting to keep all their camping equipment.

1 hour ago, carebear3895 said:

Believe it or not, we all want the same thing

Not.

10 minutes ago, gblotter said:

When LDS parents send their son off to an event like National Jamboree, and then the boy returns home with stories of pervasive swearing (and other unScoutlike behaviors like patch stealing), it creates an impression that this is how Scouting works in a non-LDS setting. You can then understand a predictable level of concern over joining a non-LDS troop. In reality, the concern may unwarranted, but it is still understandable.

To be completely honest, my son expressed interest in attending World Jamboree next summer, but we detoured that pursuit because of these kinds of issues encountered at National Jamboree.

It is the same with my Catholic boys. We don't like the behavior at the council run camps/activities, so we use our church owned/operated camps and set up our own activities. It works out much better that way.

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 1:39 PM, mashmaster said:

If I can't get along with the new SM, I may switch over to being a commissioner or full time trainer at courses.

Yep. You don't get along with the SM, so you have already met the first requirement for being a commissioner. 

1 hour ago, carebear3895 said:

Yea because the whole point of the Boy Scouts of America is to make Scout Executives rich. DE's are slaves to SE's, we don't care about the volunteers we work alongside. Packs and Troops are just thorns in our sides in our goal to make as much money as possible.

Exactly. If execs don't like this characterization, there is a quick and easy way for them to fix it. Stop paying themselves these outrageously high salaries.

My school/parish/diocesan administrators make more money than me, but they don't make 10 times, 100 times, or a 1000 times my salary. As I said before, I am satisfied with my salary. I do think, however, I could become a bit resentful if my bosses were to start receiving huge salary increases. 

It is one thing to make sacrifices in order to have an affordable school for my students. It would be an entirely different thing if I was asked to take a low wage in order to make my boss rich.