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  1. 4 hours ago, MattR said:

     As for kids that want to join but the parents don't speak English, you can ask the kids to translate for you. Or ask them to ask the parents if there's someone else that can help, such as an older sibling. Or use google translate.

    Might I suggest that the parents be referred to the UC.  ;) 

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  2. 4 hours ago, Beccachap said:

    I have a difficult council, but I have significantly reduced problems they create for us by replacing nearly all Council events from our calendar

    There ya go.  That's exactly what we decided to do.  We have far fewer problems now.  

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  3. 19 minutes ago, Beccachap said:

    David, I had one conversation with him where he appeared to understand and follow along. The second conversation the next day he couldn't string his thoughts together. I'm talking bizzaro, completely inconsistent thought. I mentioned his age as a correlative factor, not as a causative factor. No offense intended. 

    Dementia is an obvious possibility when dealing with people of my age.  But don't overlook the possibility of substance abuse.  You might be surprised to learn how many senior citizens abuse drugs.  It's not just a teenager thing, you know.  If a younger person exhibited the same behavior, you might have suspected something else.

    In any case, it is not your job to comment on or investigate the reasons for his incompetence.  Just avoid him.


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  4. 53 minutes ago, Beccachap said:

    My guy is very geriatric and when reviewing the situation with him I felt he wasn't capable of consistent and coherent thought. 

    I wouldn't rush to judgement in deciding that this is a geriatric thing.  You don't like it when men are condescending to women.  So try not to be condescending to us old folks.  There are plenty of people at council (who are incapable of consistent and coherent thought) who can't blame it on age.

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  5. 1 hour ago, Beccachap said:

    Can you request a different Commissioner other than what you have been assigned? Also, what exactly is the value - if any - to a Commissioner?


    I don't see the commissioner position as having any value to the unit.  You could always try asking for a different commissioner, but I don't see the point.  If you make it clear to a commissioner that you have no intention to listen to him or heed any of his advice, he will sometimes go away.  Good luck.

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  6. 8 minutes ago, MattR said:


    The bigger question for me is why does scouting require so many volunteers? We have 1000 scouts in our district and we have, I don't know, 2 dozen units with, say a dozen volunteers in each unit and the district needs another 60 people (but isn't close to that). So we need nearly 1 volunteer for every 3 scouts? That's crazy.


    That's no problem.  We have 1 volunteer for every 3 scouts.  Would you believe...1 volunteer for every 10 scouts?  How about a retired Health teacher with a rusty pen knife?

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  7. The UC position is just another example of top down leadership.  How can the council/district fix the units.  You should to be looking for bottom up solutions.  How can the units fix the council/districts?  

    The current model doesn't allow for grassroots initiatives to improve council/districts.  It's all top down thinking.  That's why BSA will never improve.

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  8. 1 hour ago, MattR said:

    Is that who you're disagreeing with? 

    I disagree with the top down approach to scouting.  Anyone who takes a top down approach, I disagree with.

    Let's start at the beginning.  A group of boys want to go camping.  They belong to an organization.  So, that organization charters a boy scout troop.  Members of the Chartered Organization volunteer their time to the troop because they love and support the kids.  This is good.

    Let's look at something else.  A council employee gets evaluated based on the number of kids who sign up.  His job depends on numbers.  So, he pushes to charter new troops and new scouts.  Many of the scouts and scout leaders don't really want to go camping.  They have other motives for joining.  But they boost the employee's numbers, so he's fine with it.  He even encourages it.  This is bad.

    I am one of the people who love and support the kids.  I don't care about the numbers.  I have no great desire to promote scouting.  I want to help the kids to go camping and have fun.  A game with a purpose. No other motive here.

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  9. 4 minutes ago, qwazse said:


    But, @David CO, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Compensating youth for an intrinsically rewarding program might be inappropriate                                                                       

    Ya think!

    I can't think of anything that would be more indicative of a top down perspective in scouting than paying kids to be scouts.  

  10. 1 hour ago, yknot said:

    The experienced older scout volunteers who would train and safely guide younger volunteers in these life skill areas are getting harder to find. A few weekends of training can't do it. I don't know how we're going to run an outdoors based program in the future without a lot of volunteers who have this expertise. The only way may be to pay for it. I think a model for this exists in youth sports where a lack of volunteers has led to hiring coaches and other paid staff. 

    As long as we are heading down this slippery slope, why don't we just pay the older scouts to remain in the units?  Make it a job instead of a POR.  This would create a lot of jobs in a market where teenage employment opportunities are becoming increasingly scarce.  If the adults aren't willing to volunteer their time, why should the teenagers be asked to do it for free?  

  11. 21 minutes ago, carebear3895 said:

    I do very much disagree with your assertion that Chartering Organizations should "run" the council being that every CO's are so different for one another. Everyone would want "my guy" as an officer. 

    No, we just don't want the SE's guy as an officer.  You can't have proper oversight of employees if they get to select at-large members of the board.  Board members should never be beholden to the SE for their office.

    I was an IH.  It would have never even occurred to me to push for "my guy" to be a council officer.  My Chartered Organization was simply not that interested in BSA.  

  12. 1 hour ago, Eagledad said:

    OK, so who recruits these people? 

    Ideally, It would be the Chartered Organizations.  The CO's should appoint the COR's, and the COR's should select the council officers from within their own ranks.  With all of the talented people that exist inside the various Chartered Organizations in a council, they really shouldn't have to search very far to find good people.  

  13. 1 hour ago, Cburkhardt said:

    It just cannot hurt to have a reasonable representation of the leadership of the larger economic entities from your territory on your Executive Board. 

    Sure it can hurt.  It can hurt a lot.  To start with, it can hurt to the tune of a tax for another $60 per year per scout.  It can hurt by doubling the annual dues.  It can hurt by charging exorbitant prices for uniforms.  The list of hurts goes on and on.

    One thing is clear.  The wealthy don't care about the poor.  Put them on a board, and you will not end up with good programs and modest scout camps. You end up with the summit.

    The wealthy board members have a quid pro quo arrangement with the scout executives.  The SE appoints them to the boards.  They return the favor by giving the SE job security.  Neither of them give a fig for the Chartered Organizations, the units, or the scouts.  This is council.

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  14. If you have been following the college admissions scandal, there is something you can take away from it.  People are sick and tired of having wealthy people buy their way into positions that, by all rights, ought to be earned.  People who bypass the admissions process and buy their kids way into college can go to jail.

    Now, I am not a socialist.  It is no business of mine how much money somebody else makes, how big a house he lives in, or how nice a car he drives.   But unlike houses and cars, some things should not be for sale.  When my kid tries out for a baseball team, he should have the same consideration as the kid from the wealthiest family in town.  When he goes to college, he should be judged by his grades and not by his parents' bank account.

    Everyone should come into scouting on an equal basis.  The idea that awards and positions should be gotten based on money and social status is morally repugnant.