dancinfox

In regards to 21st Century Wood Badge trained adults staffing NYLT, the syllabus recommends that adult staff have taken 21st Century WB. The changes in 21C WB have made the ties to NYLT stronger and I think the new changes will do even more.

David Harrison

I received my copy of the Central Region Newsletter and there are new changes coming in 2009 for the adults directing the course.

1. If a NYLT ASM who provides training and oversight of youth staff. (No other adult positions qualify) has completed 21st Century Wood Badge and has earned their beads and attended Trainer's EDGE within two years of the NYLT course, will receive a third bead.

2. A NYLT Course Director who completed a NYLT Regional Scoutmaster Conference within one year prior to NYLT service as Scoutmaster and signed the Scoutmaster's Pledge, attended Trainer's EDGE within two years of the NYLT Course, staffed a 21st Century Wood Badge Course as a Troop Guide and served as a Scoutmaster for NYLT, will receive a 4th bead.

There is no execption for previous service or for NYLT conferences held before 2008. In order for the NYLT course to be qualified the following requirements must be fulfilled:

The Scoutmaster attends the Regional Scoutmaster Conference.

The National NYLT syllabus must be followed and the course will be known as NYLT. Joint names such as Brownsea NYLT can no longer be used to qualify an NYLT course.

David Harrison

Since the new Centennial Quality Unit Award committment sheet says 100% of families will subscribe to Boys Life, the that would mean a Boys Life subscription in every household ie:(if there was a Cub Scout and a Boy Scout in the family and the Boy Scout was receiving BL, then for both the pack and troop they would count.

David Harrison

Bob,

I do agree with you that the presentations that used 21C WB referances were watered down. I got more from WB than Seabadge in that respect. As to the other presentations, there were quite a few that I got a lot of information from. Do I feel I could go out and start a ship, no. I do feel I could help be a leader in one and that I do know that Sea Scouting needs to be more than the best kept secret in the BSA. Some of the material was presented by less than stellar presenters, but in all, the information I gleaned was great. In talking with others from my crew to others in the course, I got more of a feeling of them braging than giving me information.

David Harrison

I just came back yesterday form Central Regions Seabadge C-5 course held in Rodchester, In and Charles Holmes was present at the course. In the course a few of the presentations used information from 21st Century WB such as EDGE and Forming, Norming, Storming, and Preforming. They used a different name, but a rose by any other names smells as sweet. I found the course gave me alot of information about Sea Scouting and how to recruit and how to teach leadership skills to the youth. As a Council Commissioner I feel that I can talk to anyone on the subject and not seem like I don't know what I'm talking about.

David Harrison

The actual text of the letter reads as follows:

The 2010 National Scout Jamboree will use an online application process for all Scouts, leaders, and jamboree staff applicants desiring to attend the jamboree. The registration process will be similar to the new National Annual Meeting registration Web site.

Interested youth, unit contingent leaders, and prospective staff members must complete an online application. It is accessed through www.Scouting.org for non-BSA employees. Applicants will need to use their BSA ID number to access the application Web site. The initial application fee is $10. This fee is nonrefundable and does apply to the registration fee. This will be reflected as a credit on your council statement once your finanal payment is received.

Scouts and individuals applying to be part of the council contingent will be directed to print a confirmation and send it to the council with a $100 deposit. The confirmation will state that their application must be accepted by their council and does not guarantee participation. Individuals seeking jamboree staff positions will pay their fees online by credit card to the National Council.

The Web sit will be activated in June 2008.

David Harrison

When I held the position of Scoutmaster, I always gave each patrol $2.50 for the one meal I was going to eat with them. I might not get food cooked to perfection, but I always got the menu they prepared. I have tried the egg and bacon in a paper bag and it does work quite well. The thing is, it takes about 40 minutes to cook over coals, not the fire. Put the bacon in first, let it start frying and the grease will coat the paper bag. Once the bacon starts getting crispy, then drop the egg in the center and it will fry.

David Harrison

In reviewing the requirements for Tenderfoot, 2nd Class and 1st Class the most campouts a youth would need to go on is 3 and have participated in 7 other troop events (ie: COH, Scouting for Food, Parades, etc.) The youth would have to go swimming once and do one service project. If the troop program was very strong, the youth could earn 1st Class in a year.

With that said, do I agree a youth would have all the skills? I'm not sure. In my district and my old troop there is a youth that received his Eagle Rank at 12 and a half. He has 42 merit badges and received 1st class in a year. When I resigned as Scoutmaster, I did not stay active with the troop, so I don't know what their program is about. I do question receiving the Eagle Rank at that age.

Dancin

Some things for future years. We always gave each youth would sold tickets for $5 a dollar of the sale for his scout account and the scouts could earn additional monies if they helped in the work crews. We also went to the local printer and they would make up placemats with the troop name and number and pictures of some of the outings we did that year. We wouuld by a ream of 11 x 17 paper and they would print them out for free. As the people were eating they could see what we had been doing that year.

David

I have one that's both a team building and a leadership building game.

If you have enough youth, divide them equally into two teams of about 8 to 10. You will need to purchase water pipe insulating pieces that measure about 5 foot each. Cut them in half with a knife or blade and give each team 8 half pieces. Each team will receive a box of toothpicks, a roll of blue tape and a marble. The idea is for each team to make a track for their marble to roll down. The slower the time the higher the score. They also have to make a jump, a loop and a spiral that the marble travels through. They can make their track on the wall (that's where the blue tape comes in to play), or on a table or the floor, but the marble has to travel down the whole track and get to the end to score a time. You can also give additional points for additional spirals, loops and jumps. The winner will have the most points. ie: 50 points for the slowest time, 30 for the next slowest. 20 points for each additional spiral, 15 for each additional loop, and 10 for each additional jump. Give them 40 to 50 minutes to build and test it and them use a different marble to run down the track. Use the same marble for each tracks run. This will teach them team work and also leadership as someone different will become the leader as new ideas come out.

David Harrison

You could make a reflector oven out of a cardboard box. Line it with Alum. foil, put coals in a pie tin at the bottom. will get up to 450 degrees.

David Harrison

Our council just completed a Powder Horn course. We had 30 participants and since this was our first one, Region let us have staff as participants also for a total of 63 completing the course. As a staffer, I found it hard to do my job and also visit every session, but all the staff did. Made for tired weekends. The information gained was well worth it. The resources will work great for both Troops and Crews. I would tell anyone who is interested to go.

David Harrison

Eamonn,

When we humans have a lot of love to give out, even our animals become part of our family. We have a Greyhound, Shepherd mix who is 9 years old and sleeps in the bed with us at night. she travels with me in my jeep whenever I go on non-Scouting trips and knows it is very hard to leave her, if only to go to work. I have lost one such dog once in my life and know I will lose another good friend in the distant future. My heart goes out to you and your family.

David Harrison

John,

First, don''t kill the messenger. I was just relaying what the Admin Guide says. I never said that I agree with it. I tried as a course director last year to include as many pre-21st staffers as I could. One thing I always remember, "I may not always agree with what the National Council puts out, but I promised to deliver the program to the youth the way it''s presented."

With that said, I would never tell an adult they have to set aside their beads after completing the 21st Century course. I would ask them to not wear them during the practical part of the course, then it would not matter to me what they did. In my role as Council Commissioner, I have a friend who always tells me that I am the one person to go to for questions about uniforming. I will tell anyone, "If you ask me if your uniform is correct, I''ll be honest with you. If you ask me if I care how your uniform looks, I''ll tell you I don''t.

David Harrison

In regards to the question about indivduals who have attended Wood Badge in the past. They may attend Wood Badge for the 21st Century provided that: 1. They agree to write and work a Wood Badge for the 21st Century ticket, and 2. tehy agree not to wear Wood Badge beads until they have satisfactorily completed their Wood Badge for the 21st Century ticket. This is from the 2008 Admin. Guide.

David Harrison

Scoutdad,

In reference to your question of Trainer Development Conference, this is a day long training session for all trainers. It used to be called Train The Trainer (TTT). There are round robin sessions on different ways to present. This might be of some interest to some, I just received the 2008 Admin Guide and talked to next years CD, and he told me that there are only a few changes in the course. The Admin Guide does have a change regarding CD''s. A pre-21st Century WB''er (including past pre-21st 4 beaders) can become a CD for 21st by going to 21st Century and completing a ticket, being a Troop Guide in 21st Century WB, and either having been on staff in the pre-21st WB or being on staff of a NYLT course. The key is they still have to set aside their beads, go to 21st Century and earn their beads.

David Harrison

Mentor

C-31-08

Lisa,

FYI, we will be holding a Commissioner Basic Training at our council service center in Auburn the last Saturday of this month. If you want details, let me know.

David Harrison

Lisa,

It would depend on the Council Commissioner. In my council, I count any Bachelor degree as the Basic Training for that position (ie:Unit Commissioner if BUC was taken, RT Commissioner if B/M of RT was taken).

I think your Council Commissioner, Dick would count these too. As far as I know, all the councils that participate in the college count them. I would also count Basic Training and let a commissioner take the Master''s Degree at the college.

David Harrison

The college Lisa is talking about is the Michigan College of Commissioner Science. This is held jointly by council''s in Michigan such as Scenic Trails, Gerald R. Ford, Lake Huron Area, Southwest Michigan, Tall Pine, Blue Water, and Chief Okemos, and Great Sauk. The metro councils is Michigan, such as Detroit Area and Clinton Valley can participate if they want by sending participants or by staffing a degree program. Lake Huron Area, the council I represent is staffing two degree programs, Bachelor/Master of Roundtable and Master of Unit Commissioner Service. I am the Dean of MUC and my ACC for Training is the Dean of B/M of RT. These degrees are based on the syllbus for Commissioner College and are staffed by some of the best commissioner these councils have to offer.

David Harrison

If we are talking about a SM having a conference with a youth before his EBOR, then why would the SM object to the project. As part of the process of getting his Eagle Project approved one of the fist steps was to have the SM approve it. Then the Troop Committee, the organization for which the project was being done for then the District Advancement chair or committee. Once the project was completed the youth would have a SM's Conference. At this point in time the SM does just that, have a conference (ie: talk about how the project went, what are the youth's plans for the future, how the board of review might go, and give confidence to the youth.) not discuss if the project was good enough, that was done before it was approved.

Dancin

We as adults always have to keep in mind that when we are working with youth, we are building character and citizenship. By demoralizing a youth, are we building up their character? If we didnt have people run for political office what would our government be like? No matter what the youth in our units are like we have to mold them the best we can. Sometimes we are successful and sometimes we fail, but we always have to give the youth the best example we can. If we arent, then are we living up to our training and why we are in the movement.

David Harrison

Camp Rotary is a modern camp 9 miles north of Clare. It features a dining hall and quite a full program. I was just up there on Thursday for the Camp Inspection. It has a COPE course, Low, High, and Ropes. The food is great and a real treat if your not looking for rustic camping. PBSR is more of a rustic camp about 7 miles north of Mio, MI. When you get to camp, the troop set up their tents and tear them down at the end of the week. Dining is in an open pavillon and one night during the week, you cook in your campsite. It to has a great program but is quite hilly.

Dancin

Other camps in Michigan:

Camp Rotary, Clare, MI LHAC

Paul Bunyan Scout Reservation, Mio, MI Lake Huron Area

www.lhacbsa.org

Camp Gerlick, Traverse City, MI Scenic Trails Council

www.stcbsa.org

Camp Madron, Kalamazoo, MI Southwest Michigan Council

www.bsaswmc.org

Camp Gerber, Grand Rapids, MI Gerald R. Ford Council

www.bsagrfc.org

Camp Munhacke

Camp Teetonkah

Camp Muscootah

Great Sauk Trail Council

www.gstcbsa.org

Hope this helps

Dancin Fox

A National Camp School patch is not a patch denoting you are trained in NCS, but a tempory patch to be worn on the right pocket as any other tempory patch would be worn. The training card you received at the end of the course showing the date you were trained and the date your training runs out is the offical recognition of your training. As with any tempory patch, you can wear the NCS patch as long as you want to.

David Harrison

Council Commissioner

Lake Huron Area Council

When I was a Troop Guide in 2002, all the TG's borrowed a staffer's stuffed Eagle and took pictures of it eating the spamon the patrols had caught and also pictures of him relieving himself on the CD's pillow. Funny that he pooped out Buffalo droppings instead of Eagle droppings. The next day we had a court hearing for him, but even with the pictures as evidence, he was acquitted.

Dancin