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So what is to become of Venturing? We now use the same oath, law and sign as Cub and Boy scouts. After reading the new revised awards program I’m under the impression that there will now be more of an expectation to expend a significant amount of energy towards rank advancement.

Well JoBob I’m sorry to hear that. Utilizing such derogatory terms towards the boys is disrespectful and hurtful. Suggest you review the Scout Oath and Law and reflect upon the values we are attempting to install in the scouts themselves. Continual use of such terms will eventually rub off on the scouts themselves and creates an unending cycle of cynicism and negative feeling towards others who may not agree with you. Constructive civil discussion on the program can happen without having to lower ourselves to such name calling and disrespect toward these young men who have earned

Is it not obvious? “Eagle Scoutâ€Â

I think it behooves us to refrain from referring to Eagle Scouts as coming from “Eagle Mills†or being “Paper Eagles†or whatever other derogatory title we put on them regardless of if we agree on the program they came from or not. Call ourselves names, yes, but please refrain from calling these outstanding young men anything other than Eagle Scouts.

Many troops I have been associated with provide leadership training, and they have their super performers, the average and the ones who do the minimum if at all. Expectations are identified and communicated, but once 4 or 6 months have passed, and if we are following the GTA, it’s a done deal. So what makes your troop leadership training work so much better than the rest? What is you recipe for success?

Just be happy for the kid and congratulate him on his achievement. To do anything else causes us to be bitter old goats who start assigning negative labels to the achievement of Eagle and forget why we do what we do.

Wake me up? Oh, sorry, resulted to low blows and now "my son is better than your son" This is old.

Well still proves my point. 1) I don’t track my son’s requirement, he does that, and after all he is a scout. 2) You still have not substantiated your argument using any established BSA literature which shows the weakness in your arguments 3) you (and scouter99) have to result in low blows.

Actually, an active, involved scout in a decent troop can easily earn the Camping badge in less than 2 years of membership. Our troop camps 2 nights/month most months, an active boy could easily get his 24 nights in 18 months. The biggest speed bump anyone in our troop encounters is the requirement to earn First Class; we don't ramrod them through First Class, so most of them actually have over 30 nights before I introduce the award to them in their second year. I generally introduce it to the scout as soon as he has 24 nights, because at that point the award's requirements are a good roadmap

Wow, that was a pretty low blow.

Yes, thats the sprit!

Shure it does! If his time at the pool was done for the purpose of working on this requirement then it counts. Checking out the ladies is just a bonus!

You guys seem to miss the point. First of all, nothing in the requirement states “at a scouting event.†Might try reading the requirement first, then re-read them again. Secondly, you obviously do not understand the definition of “auspiceâ€Â. Try looking it up before stating that it means “a scouting event.†Lastly, if your son want to apply all the hours he has spent at the pool with his scouting buddies, Yes, it counts, but only for the aquatics portion of the badge. Quit adding to the requirements!

KDD. Suggest you get yourself a copy of the advancement guide and read it from cover to cover. There are a lot of opinions on this forum. Often these oppinions blead over to pratices in a scout troop and the past 100 years of BSA experience in putting on a program for the development of scouts go’s out the window. I’m no expert, so I read the Boy Scout literature and BSA is pretty clear about how things should get done. So no real need to interpret any “legealeseeâ€Â. You did the right thing and looked up the definition of auspice, and as you can tell it do

Basementdweller: Really? Where in any of the boy scout literature all requirements have to be earned as part of a group? If you cannot back this up, then you are adding to the requirements. From the BSA’s Advancement Guide paragraph 2.0.0.3 Personal Growth Is Prime Consideration “Though much is done individually at their own pace†So if a scout for the purpose of working on a requirement takes a bike ride to the doughnut shop with dad, does it count? YES!

Basementdweller. Your statement is conflicting. Noting in the requirements for this award state it has to be earned as a group effort or has to be completed with a group of scouts. Quit putting in requirements where none exist. This is simple stuff that 11-17 year olds can understand.

We need to avoid overthinking this. Next thing you know we put it in the “too hard to do†category and scouts wont attempt to accomplish this award. Open up the dictionary and read the definition of “auspiceâ€Â. Then go on line and look at several definitions from other sources. It all boils down to doing something with the support and guidance of the sponsoring organization. Yes, this is an individual award. Those who think differently need to look at the requirements, and look at them again. You can see earning specific merit badges is part of the requirements and

No game playing at all. If the purpose of your son participating in these actives with you are for achieving the said requirement, yes, then it is under the auspices of scouting.

King Ding Dong. So what you said about an organized bike ride tells me that if a scout utilizes this venue to put in the miles he needs to accomplish a requirement for biking merit badge it does not count? I think you are off base here in that logic.

Auspices means “under the support and guidance†of said sponsor, not during a sponsored event. This award is an individual achievement just like earning merit badges where scouts full requirements without having to be on scouting events. So scouting supports your son to be active in the out of doors and provides guidance on how to do this through the Scout handbook, filed book and earning rank and merit badges. There are very few troops that would be able to provide such a program to its scouts to allow the scout to meet what is required to fill these requirements, so under the gu

Ahh, so Mad Max has sat in on over 300 Eagle Board of Reviews which only has given him no more than a perception of what the scouts experience has been. Nothing said about actually experiencing it himself, so no facts, just hearsay, as well as knowing nothing about my background except I Eagles at 15 year old. Opinion is no replacement for facts. Max you are right, I do need to take a lesson from the Beav, Twocubsdad and yourseslf ; and in the old saying Argue with fools only drags you down to their level and beats you with experience Thank for reminding me of who I have been argui

So Beav and Twocubdad, So whats the advice here? Put road blocks in front of each and every scout to slow them down because of your preceded perception that they are not getting enough out of scouting? Whats the magic age? What do they have to do to get the most out of the scouting experience? What special in site do you have into each and every boys mind that supports your arguments? I Eagled at 15 and have no regrets, did a lot and got a lot out of scouting. So Beav, you imply a lot in your writing, or are we to take what you write fundamentally but interpret what BSA outlines i

OK Beav, let me get this straight. A scout who earns Eagle at the age of 13-14 has not benefited fully form the journey but its OK for a scout to get to Life, have most of the Eagle requirements done, get more heavily involved with other outside activities and at 17 years 11 months comes back and finished the requirements for Eagle has benefited more? Or how about the same 13-14 year old who has finished most all Eagle requirements and just stops, hangs around the troop meeting being more of a distraction, or just not showing up due to whatever, and then at 17.11 years crams the last of his r

A quote of a blog I have been reading; The strength of youth is passion. Never quench it; always fuel it. Yes its dangerous. But it sure beats lethargy and safety. Fools preserve the status quo when they corral young leaders. Eagle at 14? ROCK ON!

This is great news! What a time to celebrate this young mans achievements. So many other challenges lie ahead, and this is a great starting step to be proud of!