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About dfg890

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  1. Look, I'm certain we come from widely different points of view and personal experiences. I think it's a great time for growth in scouting. I think that in order to expand we need to have flexible options for families. I see no reason, even if we concede that the ideal should be separate dens or troops or patrols or what have you, to have options for those who that doesn't mesh with. After all, we have the lone scout program. No one would argue that is the ideal way to go through scouting, but it's there because there may be times it's the only way for the scout to participate. That's
  2. I dont really like that language honestly. I'd refer to them as scouts. If they performed better and "mopped up" I'd say we could try and be courteous and kind about it. Sore winning is just as undesirable as sore losing, un my opinion. And I dont want it to be said that I'm claiming sameness. I'm not. What I am saying is that the differences get overblown and that using a one size fits all approach might not work. Using averages and data can only get us so far, though I doubt enough data currently exists to draw conclusions from the inclusion of females in scouts yet. When the ai
  3. What I said was that society wide conclusions cannot be drawn from personal experience. It's a logical fallacy. If I were to say that my grandmother smoked four packs a day her whole life and lived to 92, therefore smoking leads to a long life, I would be committing a logical fallacy. It's an absurd example but it gets the point across. In my experience, my girls are far more creative and my boy likes to make lists and organize things, but I've met creative men and women in my life too. I think taking a small population and generalizing to experiences from people from disparate backgroun
  4. And I have 2 girls and a boy, and while I'm not saying differences don't exist, I'm arguing that in the context of cub scouts different ages have significantly larger differences and that the differences are minimal enough given the activities the scouts are participating in that having them together just works better for our pack. My middle daughter is into math and rock climbing and loves to draw. My oldest is a fervent reader and fan of riding her bike and swimming, and my boy loves to play minecraft(as do the girls), toss frisbees, and perform impromptu karaoke shows. My expeience di
  5. I think the point he was trying to make is that biases are very hard to be aware of sometimes, and can have deep cultural origins that people just honestly don't put a lot of thought in. I don't think that makes it right, but take for example our cub games. The combined girl den received a presidential award at the cub games. Did they earn it? Well, there was one lion, one wolf, one bear and one webelos. Each of them are scored slightly differently because lions aren't expected to know the law exactly, for example. On uniforms, they were all 100 %, and other than one of the older scouts
  6. Disagree wholeheartedly. Some girls tend to be more visual learners, some boys tend to be more tactile. Most people tend to have multiple preferences for different learning styles. The continued belief that one gender prefers certain learning styles is not born out by recent studies. And if your experience differs remember that even with years of experience in a certain field, you can't draw broad society wide conclusions on that. My daughters love to learn by touching and through kinesthetic styles. My son loves learning things with videos and touching stuff and reading. Most of th
  7. I fear the same for my oldest who will cross over next year. I don't know what girl troops exist, and I believe we are going to keep fight to allow our pack's partner troop to become co-ed.(seperate patrols perhaps, or what have you). I think a lot of the camporee issues will be mitigated by having co-ed units. As for shenanigans, I was a scout and participated in plenty of shenanigans growing up. I'm not sure who didn't. I think following YPT and such would mitigate that, though no one can really control what scouts do on their free time, and lets be honest, a girl troop and a boy troop
  8. Look, I get what your saying, but the fact is that putting a single webelos girl in a den with a lion and tiger would be a poor experience for that girl. Honestly all of the kids are blind to these higher level pack structure discussions anyhow. They do their requirements and don't give much of a second thought to who they do it with. Other then one cub at the beginning of the year who said 'cub scouts is for boys only!' at the first meeting (he was a tiger, and was quickly corrected) the girls in are pack have been part of the family. Also, rote following of the rules can be trouble
  9. I don't know... maybe. I don't think it would have been an issue if our girls had of simply been able to participate with the boys of their rank at ours. I know our bears were hurt by not having the girl they meet with with them. She's the rockstar scout at that level, and honestly is the leader by the way she scouts. As for the key 3 ... well I don't have much faith in them. I reached out to one of them about the whole coed den thing (Ellie Morrison) and this was the reply I got : "It has been determined that separate gender dens are in the best interest of the kids. There are gend
  10. I'm a den leader. My daughter won the pinewood derby this year. No one blinked because, well, her car was the fastest, and that's how it goes sometimes. She was surprised, tbh, and I was of course proud. I think, especially with the cubs, we have to move away from making gender a highlighted thing in general. Scouts are scouts. We judge them on their performance at events like cub games or jamborees. We are guided by the oath and law, and our training as leaders. That said, I've often though coed dens might help this, and of course it should be up to each pack. But in our case, a com
  11. This I understand. It hasn't been an issue other than at things like the cubgames where the skit that our girl den practiced with the boy den wasn't going to be scored, they essentially upended our structure and placed all the girls in a single den to be scored that way. It was a mess, and confused the scouts. I'm aiming to be on the planning committee for next year, now, but I think we need to make that less of a thing we need to be whispering about and let it get adopted as national policy.
  12. I really think the national guidance should just be amended to allows co-ed dens if a particular pack wants that. If the pack wants to segregate still, then let them. I think that's the best compromise that will allow everyone to work in the way that fits their local pack's needs. For our pack we have one girl at every level, and kind of have dens of one that meet jointly with their group. Sure, we could form a combined tiger-webelos den of the girls, but the difference in age (1st to 5th grade) is a way bigger difference then gender is at their age. I struggle to wrap my head around why
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