Mrjeff

Noone was move vocal then me concerning the re-develement of the ceremony aspect of the OA. I just watched the national presentation ( you go Emma) concerning the new Ordeal ceremony. I admittedly changed my mind. The national Chief and Vice Chief have a great plan to introduce the new material and I think it looks pretty good. I am personally excited th participate in this endeavor and put my whole support as this transition moves forward. Sure I'll miss the AIA aspect and will have fond memories but I encourage all members get on board and support the positive changes.

Why doesn't anybody compare all of these issues with the Scout Oath and Law. There is a lot wrong with DEI and in my opinion it has no place in Scouting. Perhaps Scouting America should have three apecific groups: Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Boy/ Girl Scouts and Identity Scouts. Maybe that would satisfy everyone. That way there would be specific group of Scouts for everyone. DEI stands for division, end of scouting and incompatibility. Scouting has rejected its values and is falling apart just like our government and many other institutions that have given in to public opinion. I wonder why so many people get upset when I make a conservative statement?

Wow, somebody finally took notice and realized that Scouting had lost its way, and had the influence to make "National" realise how they have messed up the organization. Secretary of War, Mr Hegseth said enough is enough and the whole idea of DEI is counterproductive to Scouting. I have been saying this for years and have voiced this opinion to every national screwup that I have had the occasion to meet. Wow, get rid of that useless DEI Merit Badge, stop forcing the DEI boulderdash down people's throats and let the Boy Scouts be the Boy Scouts with the focus on the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. Hurray for Secretary Hegseth and God Bless!

We recently lost a very old and loved camp in South Georgia, too. I feel like the rest of you, if the council camps closed they could build a couple more national sites then everyone could just go to a nationally owned and outlandishly expensive camps

I sure wish it did because I would submit a FOYA request to see the data used to restructure the whole organization from American Indian Activities to allowing young ladies to become Boy Scouts to all of this DEI boulderdash.

The OA has been encouraged at the national level, to be reduced to a shadow of what it was intended to be. The customs and traditions have been gutted in some lodges and has taken the stand that " if you show up you get a trophy. " The mystery and prestige of membership has become reduced to just being another scouting event. In my opinion this is a direct result of " the National Committee ", whoever they are, trying to interfere with the daily operations of the local lodges. It's about time that they realise that every lodge is unique and what works in Seattle, Washington may not work in Alabama. If one lodge is having difficulty using Native American dress and ceremony due to complaints from their local tribe DOES NOT mean that every other lodge is having the same issues. Local unit leaders shouldn't encourage their troops to elect someone just because it's their turn. Rather, the Scouts who want to become OA members should be the ones that are elected. But as for the original point, the OA provides an avenue for Scouts who are tired of weekly meetings and monthly camping trips, to continue their Scouting activities. In addition and as far as our lodge goes, the elected youth leadership really make the decisions, deal with conflict and manage activities. I know that many Scouting units claim that their units are run by the youth as long as they agree and conform to the desires and direction provided by the adult leadership. Havinb said this, if the "National Committee would mind their own business and concentrate on organizing NOAC, it could be a far more rewarding and enjoyable experience. Again, this is my opinion.

If you are an active scouter you already know the answers to all of things you are asking. Is it this, what is that, when did this, who did that, if its that then what is that. I have no desire to word joust and no requirement for further clarification. You should be able to figure it out, active scouter and all.

Before I get sanctioned for my conservative viewpoint and ramblings, I will say farewell to Scouter Foram. I am a caucasion, Christian conservative who does not agree with the direction, including Scouting, is headed. Somehow someone came up with the idea that having segregated celebrations at NOAC and the National Jamboree will benefit Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. This is bulderdash in my opinion. If this demonstrates Equity then please explain why was there no segregated event for caucasion heterosexual ? Simply because that would cause so much negativity and claims of racism and sexism the BSA would never recover. There are some in this forum who feel that differences of opinion should not be mentioned and all conflict could be settled by sitting in a circle and singing cum-by-ya. Parents rights and responsibilities are being reduced by our courts, people believe that if you're a boy and identify as a girl that's normal and should be accepted. That is mental illness and needs immediate attention, not a petting and a new pronoun. I pray that people,including members of this forum wake up and return to a rational normalcy. God Bless and God Speed.

For further clarification I would like for your attention to focus on Harvard College, Florida State College, Budweiser Beer and Nike Athletic Shoes. The public reaction indicates that the majority of regular sensible people are fed up and sick of the foolishness that has overshadowed our country. I'll probably get more warnings and maybe even kicked out but what I said needs saying!

Have you attended NOAC or the last Jamboree? You keep saying that I not given specific examples. Bwell I have given examples but if you are having trouble understanding at the last National Order of the Arrow Conference Conference there were specific meetings/gatherings for women, LGBTQ, and People of Color. If there was a specific meeting or event that focused on caucasion/heterosexual people ther would have been amplified exclamations of racism and homophobia. I hope that simplifies this so you can comprehend my meaning. Personally, I have no problem with LBGTQ people, black, brown, white, pink, purple or blue people, or those who think they're cats. But I do take exception when the aforementioned members of these groups attempt to force me to accept ideologies that I do not agree with. An individuals rights as defined by the US Constitution are sacred as long as the application of those rights do not infringe on the rights of another. If the application of my protected rights are offensive then the pffended party is just offended. By sanctioning separate events for Women, LGTBQ's, People of Color, Cat People, Dog People or Chipmunk People does NOTHI G to strengthen the idea of DEI. And by the way, WOKE is also an acronym that is generally expressed with capital letters.

I agree, the OA is another part of Scouting and should be presented that way.

Sorry, should be DEI, spell check got me again😉

Jeeeeezzzzzzz.........how in the world did DEI jump the tracks and turn into YPT? I would invite "Awake" to read my previous post to get some examples of what I'm talking about, and it has nothing to do with YPT.

Yes it does, I'd be curious to what would happen if a young lady were to be abused and daddy and brothers found out.

Liers use stats and stats lie, that has been proven time and time again. Statistics and presentages can be manipulated to prove anything. Its really simple, do the right thing!