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20 hours ago, Pale Horse said:
At about 220 sq. miles, I would hardly call a population density of 1.5 people/sq. mile a "crowd".
understand the overall land
its still 350 ppl/day being funneled in/out through single place
don't like being herded like cattle out to pasture
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reading that actually discourages me from pursuing Philmont,
350 arriving and departing daily? am not a fan of crowds,
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9 minutes ago, Pale Horse said:
I've found that having engaging Den Leaders that communicate well with parents and put on a fun program is the best way to recruit and retain Scouts. Since my best leaders right now are Bears and W1, we're heavy in those ranks.
Cub Summer camp will always be heavier toward the older ranks. Less parents of Tigers/Lions are able to take off work to meet the 1:1 requirement. Still as Wolves and Bears, even though they're allowed to attend w/o parents, few parents trust their child to attend an overnight campout without them.
Webelos are starting to make the transition to Scouts, so you should (hopefully) be seeing more of them camping and breaking away from mom & dad.
This was my third year at summer camp.
previous 2 years was pretty well balanced, this year was a dramatic drop without doing a headcount was probably +100 upper ranks. maybe 5-10 of lower ranks
drop goes beyond just age and leadership as would have seen the difference from the start
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our pack has been top heavy for a couple years, plenty of W1-W2's very few Tigers/bears/wolves
we figured it was limited to our own pack, yet at summer camp noticed entire camp was top heavy with very little of the lower dens,
is this a trend? common problem elsewhere?
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I have had good experience with coleman peak 1
$18 most stores think i paid $13 on sale
no problems with it and good low simmer control
i wouldnt use anything else
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Its best for everyone to consult with medical professionals on the topic
as first aid instructors have told me, otc meds are comfort meds you wont be saving anyones life with otc meds, you can be exasperating an existing problem by masking symptoms making it more difficult for others to diagnose
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17 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:
Correct. If the parent signs that line, they are approving blanket OTC except where notes. 100% of the forms that we have received have that signed.
No it is not a blanket approval
approved otc must be listed
can only administer listed otc meds
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11 minutes ago, T2Eagle said:
Camps can have their own sets of rules, some internal, some dictated by the state because they're camps. In addition to whatever forms your camp requires for summer camp your troop should require the BSA Annual Health and Medical Record (AHMR) for everybody in the troop and anybody going on an outing with you.
"For any and all Scouting activities, all participants must complete Part A and Part B."
https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-001_AB.pdf
The two authorizations are not necessarily in conflict with each other. The camp has an authorization to administer OTC and the troop has authorization to administer OTC. Given what the camp form says you could check with them for their opinion of whether you refer everything to them while at camp. Our camp has us send everything above band aid level to them.
Statement
"Administration of the above medications is approved for youth by: "
is on form b
applies to all scouts at all outings
it is not authorization to administer any OTC meds at will
it is intended for scouts that are currently taking OTC meds for various ailments, those meds must be listed on form b for anyone to administer them,
such scouts should have their own meds and leaders advised of their condition and what meds to give them and when
just about all states have regs on who can administer what meds to others
cant even give Tylenol to others without authorization
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13 minutes ago, Terasec said:
the BSA medical form I have authorizes camp office to administer the meds its not a blanket authorization for all
have it in front of me as going to camp on sunday
this is a BSA local council med form
" the following medications are available in the camp health office and will be administered at the discretion of the camp medical officer. If approval is ordered by the healthcare provider below"
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5 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:
Interesting....
The Second page of Part B of the BSA form states
“Non-prescription medication administration is authorized with these exceptions:_______________________________________________“
This would apply to the Troop leaders and these forms should be filled out in addition to any local form.
https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-001_ABC.pdf
you skipped the line that says
"Administration of the above medications is approved for youth by: "
OTC medications youth is taking must be listed
its not a blanket authorization to administer any OTC meds at will
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11 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:
Health forms should cover this correct? They state allergies to meds & if you are approved to give over the counter meds. Most med kits contain Benadryl in wipes or creams. We have had ER docs in our Troop and we use it all the time if med form doesn’t counterindicate on Benadryl.
It is correct about use of prescription drugs without a prescription is illegal, Epipens fall into a special category. As far as Epipens, laws vary by state. California now allows organizations to get prescriptions for Epipens to use them on people without prescriptions.
36 states now have laws to allow usage and stocking at entities.
https://www.ems1.com/anaphylaxis/articles/87691048-25-states-now-allow-public-access-to-epinephrine/
the BSA medical form I have authorizes camp office to administer the meds its not a blanket authorization for all
have it in front of me as going to camp on sunday
this is a BSA local council med form
" the following medications are available in the camp health office and will be administered at the discretion of the camp medical officer. If approval is ordered by the healthcare provider below"
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On 7/8/2019 at 8:42 PM, scoutldr said:
My wife retired as a school nurse (RN).
Carrying an epi-pen in the first aid kit is risky if it is not prescribed and used for the individual prescribed. It is illegal to give prescription drugs to someone else. Just be aware of the risk you are taking.
one could get a prescription for EpiPen to administer to others,
if you tell your dr your a scout leader with regular outings with kids, and inform them of various first aid training you may have had, they can write you a prescription for the EpiPen to administer to others, that would be up to dr's discretion
I have discussed this issue during various first aid courses, what is always mentioned is do not have your meds available to others, scout trips FAK which is accessible by other leaders and parents should not have such things in them,
want to have meds in your FAK, put it in your personal FAK not in group FAK
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On 7/8/2019 at 12:09 PM, Jameson76 said:
We had a Scout who had while not an anaphylactic reaction did get some hives while playing a wide game, got into some vines or other underbrush. We gave him some Benadryl. One leader wanted to know what happens if they have an allergic reaction to benadryl.
I told them we would give them more benadryl
check your laws, in most places its against the law to administer such to others, unless its by a parent or certified to do so.
I only keep such on my personal FAK not in pack accessible FAK,
Benadryl does not stop reactions only alleviates symptons and could hinder first responders or other medics diagnosis,
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2 hours ago, Pale Horse said:
I live in an area with a fair number of immigrants. It's more of the skilled-labor, engineers, and computer scientist types from Europe, India, China, & Japan. Many are here for a few years and have plans to return home.
It does seem that my Asian families don't particularly want to camp, especially not rustic camping. It may also be due to weekend obligations that take precedence over Scouting. Since a lot of families do plan on returning to their home country, they want their kids to learn that culture, so they have them enrolled in a cultural school on weekends (Chinese School all day Saturday for example).
I am part of a pack in Chinatown most of the pack is Chinese, many choose activities for the kids that will benefit them academically, school school and more school
after school classes, weekend classes, summer school classes, there are probably 2-5 afterschool centers per block in Chinatown, that is their priority
they do not put an emphasis on scouting like they do on academic activities, if it doesn't help their 6 yr old get into Harvard or Yale they wont put the time in
yes there are some that take advantage of scouting and outdoor opportunities but they are a small percentage of the population
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As an Immigrant myself from Italy
idea of camping in Italy and most of Europe is different than US,
in Italy there is almost no public lands that you can just set up a tent and few places that is allowed is highly regulated
European national lands is more like US national and state parks as opposed to US and state forests
its mostly caravan(camper) camping and that is very limited
excursions into the forests are day trips whether for hunting foraging or just hiking
I have family through out Europe, while many of them are outdoorsy none of them camp the way we do in the US
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if you have any questions ask council for approval and get it in writing
everything is fine until something goes wrong,,
when something goes wrong, being in violation of policy is not a position you want to be in.
as per gtss, safe swim defense applies to waters over knee deep
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BSA policy is separate dens
any looking the other way is what BSA has done for decades and why they have the problems they currently have
there are lots of rules/regs /policies I disagree with I still follow them
I Have zero respect for leaders who only follow policy when its convenient
scout oath scout law, woodbadge beads mean absolutely nothing when such leaders violate policy
if you have a few girls and combine them with boy dens you lack leadership and all the children within the unit suffer
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prefer to keep chemicals to a minimum, especially when kids are involved
there are also natural repellents one should consider, eucalyptus and peppermint oils as an example
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On 5/3/2019 at 10:14 PM, Jameson76 said:
Other than Scouts have done a good bit of sports coaching. One of the parents was a lawyer, so I asked him what my liability was if a player got injured. His umbrella response was that they (as parents) had to assume some risk as they allowed their child to play a sport. Yes you could have an action against you, but it likely would not be a winnable one if you as the coach were doing normally accepted actions or it was the course of the game and no visible risks were present. Drills, exercises, and other activities that would be associated with the sport and as the coach was taking reasonable care. As others have noted, not being negligent. Preface to that is normally acceptable of course.
Scouts is similar, parents do have some assumption of risk. They may not like that, but it is there. Within the BSA medical form, that every participant should sign and their guardian should sign, there is this disclaimer:
I understand that participation in Scouting activities involves the risk of personal injury, including death, due to the physical, mental, and emotional challenges in the activities offered. Information about those activities may be obtained from the venue, activity coordinators, or your local council. I also understand that participation in these activities is entirely voluntary and requires participants to follow instructions and abide by all applicable rules and the standards of conduct.
Now, as with the sports example, are you taking reasonable care, are you or other leaders not being negligent, are you doing the things expected? For example you are on a backpacking trek and as a side activity you lead them up a 40' free climb without proper gear. That might be a challenge if someone gets hurt.
Exercise care, and most importantly...don't be stupid.
On 5/3/2019 at 10:14 PM, Jameson76 said:Regardless of liability and fault, there is always risk of litigation,
a leader can spend years and thousands of dollars fighting litigation regardless of waivers
most lawyers will pursue the carriers and orgs with funds, not so much the individual him/herself,
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12 hours ago, Jameson76 said:
I wonder if there is more to the story?
Trail looks to be only less than 2 miles from 1 parking area and less than 3 miles from another. Not discounting dehydration that can come on quickly,
Here is a map of the park
my guess would be probably had underlying condition exasperated by the hike
a healthy 16 yr old should not have a problem with such a hike even with just minimal water
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if your going to use a service similar to venmo, you should have them use the service your bank uses
each bank uses a different service provider for such
when its your own bank theres usually no fees for you
if your accepting someone elses transfer company you incur fee's
you shouldn't have to incur fee's for such,
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recommend using natural materials, plant fibers /bark, etc
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18 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:
Sad indeed.
It's a steady progression towards a wimpier, less self-confident kind of boy. Challenges help a kid grow and meeting them head-on are what make a man.
Looking back at the original 1910 BSA rank requirements, I see this for First Class...
4. Travel alone by foot or rowboat to a point at least 7 miles distant and return (15 miles if by vehicle or animal), and write a short report. It is preferable to take 2 days to do this.
its a shame how bsa has moved away from the independent outing to the mommy and me programming it is today
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On 10/16/2018 at 12:45 PM, acco40 said:
Would I do that today for an overnight activity? Probably not. But a few years ago, I had one patrol (older boys) do a "patrol outing" of sorts where they camped out of earshot and sight line from the remainder of the troop, we were hosting Webelos Scouts, and the boys absolutely loved it. I made the mile walk around 9:30 PM to see if everything was kosher and then again around 7:30 AM just as a check. It really fostered youth leadership and they talked about that outing for years as one of their favorites.
You have to know your boys and I'm a believer that the more you put trust in them, the more they will reward you for that trust.
I'm sure it was a liability issue for the BSA but it's sad they took the patrol option away.
one of my gripes with scouting is way too much supervision,
having adults within earshot is not the same as being on your own,
A lot of negatives in the media, is scouting in danger?
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dangers to scouting is not external
BSA is destroying itself from within
poor leadership at every level, all lie to protect their image
no respect from the general public, as I don't blame the general public for that
Scouting is no more than a glorified daycare service, that's it