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  1. So much for "Trustworthy" on behalf of the members not following the guidelines. Same will be true - maybe moreso - in the Cubs as Pack Leaders struggle to obtain den leaders to lead the girl dens (not to mention the mandatory women leaders that have to be present at meetings and campouts). They will put the dens together and have them separate on paper only. The frustration is that I believe this is where National wants to be (fully co-ed), and they are not being honest with themself or the membership by enacting this "step", waiting for it to fail, then changing policy to where they
  2. A few random thoughts: Girls: I admit I'm very right-thinking, and the thought of girls in BSA turned me off at first. But the more I think about it the more I really don't mind. More thinking, and also talking to GS leaders who are excited about the decision as their troops don't camp, hike, etc. Now sounding like a right-winger I'll get upset when I see "mother" taking over and hovering over scouts...as upset as I get when I see a "father" doing the same. On the Cub Scout side (my younger is a Tiger this year - I'm taking on CM) I'm very excited about girls being included. I had alw
  3. Thank you all for your continued responses - I truly appreciate the fact that I can jump on a forum and have my brother/sister scout leaders assist. We spoke last night. I had a third option after talking to the other AOL patrol in our pack. They are taking a slower track, and plan to cross over in May, so I offered to let him ride out the rest of the year with them. She decided that she was just going to take him out and "revisit" the idea of scouts when he turns 11. It makes me a little sad since he's been with me from a Tiger (Cub), but I respect her decision. Another side of this
  4. Good point, Hawkwin. The email is sort of a follow-up to our conversation where I told her I would seek out his options, so I'll follow it up with a phone call to make sure she understands. Very good point so thank you.
  5. Just sent her an email with two options. Here is the relevant part of my email. I hope it was fair! On another note, no issues if you are still feeling like he cannot go alone. You have to make that decision as a mother and I hold nothing against that. The requirement states that the boy "must participate in a Boy Scout troop's camping or outdoor adventure ...", so he will have to complete that before he can be awarded the AOL and cross over. There are a couple options: 1) You can wait until a later date when Troop 529 (or I can help you find another troop) is conducting a non-campi
  6. Very good point DuctTape! This will help in talking to the mother!
  7. Thank you both! Honestly I'm sad to lose this boy as he's been with me from a Tiger. qwazse your answer made me chuckle and sad at the same time - unfortunately I think this is going to be the outcome. Latin Scot your answer is right on - I'm going to spell it out and let them make the decision (I shouldn't be the one to stress over it!). "C" was never really an option - just me going out of my mind trying to accomodate this kid, as we typically do as scout leaders! Thanks again!
  8. Seeking advice here - will try to keep scenario short so I'll stick to the facts. My AOL den has been working hard since June to get our advancements in so we can cross over in January. As a den we decided to attend our district's Yule Log weekend camping event to fulfill Scouting Adventure requirement #4 (...participate in a Boy Scout troop's campout or other outdoor activity ... ). All of my boys are going ... except one. The troop we are moving up into will only allow parents to camp IF they are registered scout leaders with current YPT. Two dad's decided to register so they can come
  9. Hedgehog I think that's a great explanation of your Venturing crew and experience with TG kids. It certainly sounds like a crew I want my son (or, if I had a daughter) to be part of. I know there's a lot of issues being raised here, but it seems that the underlying issue for me is that I really don't want the Boy Scouts to become a co-ed organization. Why? Well not because I cannot fathom serving the youth (all sexes) of our nation, but rather that I want that place where boys can get together to bond as boys. Honestly, I don't mind throwing a truly transgendered or whatever kid in the
  10. @Helpful Tracks - that post was very...helpful! Thanks for taking the time to write.
  11. Both interesting and informative - thanks! I guess, secretly, that I'll be sad that there will be a girl's organization and a co-ed organization...but no boy's organization in the end.
  12. Your whole post is excellent - I just picked this out because this is one of the big things bothering me (the other YPT issues). WHAT THE CRAP IS WRONG WITH THE GIRL SCOUTS????? They go camping, etc. and every time I speak with a Girl Scout leader I walk away impressed! The GS is a great organization!!!! So I guess - why would the BSA need to start a parallel org for girls ... let alone why does the BSA need to change to include girls??? I keep thinking that this is the road we are going down - becoming a co-ed organization. And many of the leaders I talk with think the same way. H
  13. "Courteous" "kind" "friendly" "brave" go out the window when lawsuits are involved.
  14. Needs to be discussed, as long as the discussion is being productive. Change is not always good - especially when it is forced.
  15. THIS!! The arrogance in this girl/family makes me want to completely vomit. "I'm going to make them conform to me" BS! The thing with Trail Life is that it doesn't have the coveted "Eagle Scout" rank that we all look to put on our son's resumes.
  16. Adult Supervision/Coed Activities Male and female adult leaders must be present for all overnight coed Scouting trips and outings, even those including parent and child. Both male and female adult leaders must be 21 years of age or older, and one must be a registered member of the BSA. (http://www.scouting.org/Training/YouthProtection.aspx) The issue is what's going to go down in the court of law when something unfortunate does happen here. Even if the person identifies as a male, they are still a female (i.e., female identifying as a male), so did you do your due diligence to protect thi
  17. What is the Girl Scouts' position on serving transgender youth? Girl Scouts is proud to be the premiere leadership organization for girls in the country. Placement of transgender youth is handled on a case-by-case basis, with the welfare and best interests of the child and the members of the troop/group in question a top priority. That said, if the child is recognized by the family and school/community as a girl and lives culturally as a girl, then Girl Scouts is an organization that can serve her in a setting that is both emotionally and physically safe. How does Girl Scouts' position on
  18. Our local camp has a main bathhouse with one section for male adults, another for female adults, and a third (larger) for the boys. I guess first order is to raise funds to tear down that bathouse and create another to fit the new policy. Those concerned with the YPT aspect have some valid concerns which shouldn't be dismissed. This policy has secondary and tertiary effects. The mother of the 8-yr old girl identifying as a boy said, "she would like for her son to re-join the Scouts, but only if the leader who kicked him out leaves." Understanding this lady is upset, but I'm suspecting
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