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had that happen to me twice ... now I save what I typed before I post just in case ;-)

My collection of essential reading:

 

Waterproof New Testament and Psalms

Laminated Track and Scat Guide

Laminated Guide to Edible Plants

Laminated Star Chart

 

It's rare that a weekend goes by without a youth asking to borrow one of the above.

 

Other stuff (even my espresso pot ) may get swapped in and out depending on conditions. For example, it's swiftly becoming the season where orange pinafores get tied to any gear covering backs or heads.

Pretty cool in the norther hemisphere, source of LOLs in the southern hemisphere ...

Anything that keeps me warm and dry really.

That extra pair of socks in a zip lock and spare plastic bags that you can line your boots with

(so when you have wet boots you take of wet socks, dry your feet put on dry socks pull plastic bags over socks and go back into your wet boots)

Thanks. Boomer - you named after Boomer Subs?

Chain of command, food chain, supply chain ;-)

When applying or looking for grants refrain from wearing balclavas and heavy vests; better suits, coats and slouch hats.

Usually for "cubs first night out" we tend to do foil wraps in the coals of the fire.

The kids get to cut up, clean all the veggies n stuff themselves, works good with hamburger or minced meat,

I and think that "I wrapped it myself" thingo is pretty cool for the small ones.

 

Another nice thing is "eggs in a bag"

just have a "buffet" with grated cheese, bacon, ham, mushrooms whatever and each kid gets a couple

of eggs, cracked into a ziplock bag raw and mixed with what they want,

then each scout writes their name on their bag and all the bags go in a big pot of boiling water and - voila - scrambled eggs and

you dont even need to do dishes (spoon right out of the bag like an MRE LOL)

 

Oh and I love Dutch Ovens. I need to get myself one. Mmmmh peach cobbler nom nom...

The Kandersteg International Scout Center KISC is located in the Berner Oberland in Switzerland.

It is a camp site founded by Baden Powell himself.

A bit more than 1,000 Scouts could squeeze in;

BSA summer camp "Camp Alpine" had a tad over 400 scouts in 2010 I think,

site neighbours from the UK, Netherlands, etc and staff even from Australia (18 year old girl).

There is camp sites with showers and huge camp fire circles for hundreds of scouts

as well as chatels/houses/rooms with complete kitchen/catering available.

It is staffed by around 80 scouts who get room and board and a small allowance and usually staff stays for 3-6 months.

Great opportunity for older scouts/eagles to experience a working-type holiday in europe in a scout setting.

Beautiful landscape, great activites: hiking, mountaineering, rappeling, skiing, swimming to name a few.

http://www.kisc.ch

I think a compass would be good - learn some basic orienteering/map reading ;-)

Raised his eye brow? Please explain ^o^

 

Well thanks :-) I actually was not trying to make it sound hard but the opposite, so that people arent afraid to try it out and apply 8-)

If your first or fifth or tenth application just dont give but try to figure out what you can alter to be succesful.

 

Anything I can help you with - just ask :-)

Raised his eye brow? Please explain ^o^

Well thanks :-) I actually was not trying to make it sound hard but the opposite, so that people arent afraid to try it out and apply 8-)

If your first or fifth or tenth application just dont give but try to figure out what you can alter to be succesful.

Anything I can help you with - just ask :-)

Yup, totally agree: went to Intercamp in Viersen with 3 adults and like 10 boys ... after we spent days looking for them we learned to just look at the polish girl scouts camp LOL

Germany is a bit different: West Germany has since WW2 been split into many many (I think 150 !!!) different scouting organisations.

East Germany had a communist-scout thing (FDJ) that ceased to exist with the fall of the wall in 1989.

And I suppose that being "an American" could mean anyone from the Western Hemisphere (North and South America along with associated islands). Not that that helps DS's Indians, Kiwis, or Brits

 

[EDIT]On a slightly more serious note, the "A" in BSA stands for America. Another requirement states that you must recite the Pledge of Allegiance. That is many units' opening ceremony. DS, do you ask your "foreigners" to pledge allegiance to the flag of the USA? Are they required to know that?

 

As jblake said, "When in Rome". If a Scout born in the USA were to join Scouting in Japan (whatever that organization is named) he would be expected to know or learn their requirements; why shouldn't any member of the BSA -- no matter their birthplace?[/EDIT]

BSA was/is out and about to win "hearts and minds" of the young people overseas (South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, ...)

There is a rule that BSA may not take any scout away from the local scout organisation, but in this international world it leads

to swedish, spanish, french, german and what not scouts in the BSA.

Because Americans do a better job of taking care of the outdoors and cleaning up our messes than anyone else on the planet? (Hoo boy now I've done it)

And I am trying not to say EVERY american.

But fact is the "throw away culture" with fast food and all has its origin in the US.

Yes I know I eat that $h!t myself sometimes. Guilty. Supersize me.

There is millions of people in the world starving,

but if the 99 cent burger wasnt sold in 10 minutes it lands in the trash.

We do not have a food-shortage problem in this world, not at all.

Waste and distribution is an issue. Limited resources.

Now one has to consider the size of population and country as well, but still.

US 240, DE 80 and CH 20 Mil I think ... or thereabouts.

The germans have 7 or so different recycle bins, ths swiss have 17 different recycle stations.

They have seperate bins for paper and cardboard! I think that is overboard (pun intended).

Yes industry will always create pollution and yes since the 1970s a lot of new filters and what not

has been invented and implemented.

Only slowly do people realize how precious our environment is. Too slowly.

Nike - Truckstops have like nothing to with this I think?

I didnt say anyone was pristine, but If you like it clean go to Singapore ;-)

Usually for "cubs first night out" we tend to do foil wraps in the coals of the fire.

The kids get to cut up, clean all the veggies n stuff themselves, works good with hamburger or minced meat,

I and think that "I wrapped it myself" thingo is pretty cool for the small ones.

 

Another nice thing is "eggs in a bag"

just have a "buffet" with grated cheese, bacon, ham, mushrooms whatever and each kid gets a couple

of eggs, cracked into a ziplock bag raw and mixed with what they want,

then each scout writes their name on their bag and all the bags go in a big pot of boiling water and - voila - scrambled eggs and

you dont even need to do dishes (spoon right out of the bag like an MRE LOL)

 

Oh and I love Dutch Ovens. I need to get myself one. Mmmmh peach cobbler nom nom...

To be honest, I have NEVER EVER TO THIS DAY had a zip lock bag pop or leak.

And its not about boiling eggs in a bag - its about making scrambled eggs in a bag: omlette zip lock.

Part of the Cub programm is to do fun things that interest the small boys.

German scouts make "stick bread" - you know how often that drops into the fire?

I think every scout should be like MacGyver and able to improvise.

Because Americans do a better job of taking care of the outdoors and cleaning up our messes than anyone else on the planet? (Hoo boy now I've done it)

A vast majority of things sold in the US is actually made in China.

Sadly this includes our BSA uniforms and patches.

The only reason the chinese can be so cheap is total disregard for human health or environmental effects.

A lot of these things made with dangours chemicals that are dumped uncontrolably into the enviroment end up in

stores in the US so that the jeans, polos whatever are a couple cents cheaper.

The US not only uses heaps of oil but consumes a lot of plastic.

US cars may look nice but the motors/consumption have always been below average.

US cars have always been chugging galons.

The US is a very bad example for the world with its "throw away" societey.

Just consume more now, who cares about last season.

Most 'Mericans lack an ecological conscience, or any appreciation for the environment (Scouts excluded).

Looking at how germany or switzerland recycle, the US is quite shocking.

Woohoo - a couple dozen plants in Jordan can be held accountable, nobody cares about the 100,000 factories in China ...

(sadly, germany to this day pays development aid to china to build water wells and all ...)

I travel a lot, know a lot of people. Funny enough I dont know anyone anywhere (except you)

who thinks americans can be a good example at conservation, environment protection or what not (again, Scouts excluded)

So I went digging thrue storage. Wont copy the entire thing (1,000 pages LOL) but wanted to add some bullets points: a bit out of order, sorry. Any specific questions just ask ^o^

BSA Northeast Region

National Camping School

Cub Scout Camping

 

-Camp Health and Safety (64 pages)

-Day Camp Administration (130 pages)

-National Standards for local council precamp and operational accreditation of cub scout/webelos scout day camp (12 pages)

-Outdoor Program Guidelines (8+12 pages)

-Annual Health and Medical Record -Belt Loops/Pin Certification

-Cub Outdoor Activity Award/National Summer Time Pack Award

-OA

-Campfire Program

-Fireguard Plan

-Safety Afloat/Safe Swim Defense/Safety Afloat Training Outline

-Duty to God

-Cub Scout Character Development -

age appropriate guidelines for scouting activites

-Scouts with Disabilites and Special Needs

-OSHA laws that affect camps and conferences

-Leave no Trace

-Cub Scout Visitation Team Training Guide (administrative guide for local councils)

-case study workbook Day Camp Administration -Camp Program Ideas (81 pages)

-Guide to Safe Scouting, unit leaders guide for current policies and procedures (80 pages)

-Day Camp Staff Training (45 pages)

-Camp Program & Property Management (probably 200 pages)

-Shooting Sports for Cub Scouts (52 pages) -administrative guide cub camps, (55 pages)

-budget sheets, cash receipts, check request,

-Unit and Event Log

 

That, in a nutshell, is NCS/NDCS.

I think the cost was not much at all, considerung so much paper and all the food was included.

Learned a bunch and met a bunch of cool scouters - what more do you want to ask for?

I now have my whisle landyard rolled into my NZ neckerchief so my BSA whistle is always below my 2 slides (1 BSA & 1NZS) 8-)

Because Americans do a better job of taking care of the outdoors and cleaning up our messes than anyone else on the planet? (Hoo boy now I've done it)

Meanwhile Walmart will dump toxic waste in the normal, household-type dumpster.

British Pretolium turns the Gulf of Mexiko into a death zone.

Wasting fast food by hundreds of tons.

SUV's that consume too much because in comparison fuel in the US is cheaper than elsewhere.

Lets protect the environment with fracking, because drilling a gazillion holes in the ground and pumping dangerouns chemicals into the ground is conserving the countryside.

Did you know that GMO's, that gene modified mais and corn, can no longer be imported into the EU?

Monsanto is no longer working in europe as they can only grow their dangerous $h!t in the US.

Bringing a Butterfinger choclate bar into the EU is basiclly illegal now.

Should I go on ... ?

I love the US, but outside BSA I think the "leave no trace" and "reduce, reuse, recycle, repair" has never been heard of.

ar ar ar (seal of approval) for Mrs. Bretly 8-)

Eagle92 - all Trans Atlantic Council members got the World Crest just for being there pre 1989 (I got mine even before Bobcat),

and I think TAC hands out more Interpreter Strips than any other council as well ;-)

Most "Vintage" thing I wear is my Stetson smokey bear campaign hat with a small Fleur de Lis pin 8-)

So I went digging thrue storage. Wont copy the entire thing (1,000 pages LOL) but wanted to add some bullets points: a bit out of order, sorry. Any specific questions just ask ^o^

BSA Northeast Region

National Camping School

Cub Scout Camping

-Camp Health and Safety (64 pages)

-Day Camp Administration (130 pages)

-National Standards for local council precamp and operational accreditation of cub scout/webelos scout day camp (12 pages)

-Outdoor Program Guidelines (8+12 pages)

-Annual Health and Medical Record -Belt Loops/Pin Certification

-Cub Outdoor Activity Award/National Summer Time Pack Award

-OA

-Campfire Program

-Fireguard Plan

-Safety Afloat/Safe Swim Defense/Safety Afloat Training Outline

-Duty to God

-Cub Scout Character Development -

age appropriate guidelines for scouting activites

-Scouts with Disabilites and Special Needs

-OSHA laws that affect camps and conferences

-Leave no Trace

-Cub Scout Visitation Team Training Guide (administrative guide for local councils)

-case study workbook Day Camp Administration -Camp Program Ideas (81 pages)

-Guide to Safe Scouting, unit leaders guide for current policies and procedures (80 pages)

-Day Camp Staff Training (45 pages)

-Camp Program & Property Management (probably 200 pages)

-Shooting Sports for Cub Scouts (52 pages) -administrative guide cub camps, (55 pages)

-budget sheets, cash receipts, check request,

-Unit and Event Log

That, in a nutshell, is NCS/NDCS.

I think the cost was not much at all, considerung so much paper and all the food was included.

Learned a bunch and met a bunch of cool scouters - what more do you want to ask for?

I am having trouble posting ... just wrote a looooong post and it keeps on telling me about some string problem what not?

Edit: Logged in, logged out and seems to work now. Had it several times in the past days that I wrote something and couldnt post it.

Nope sadly didnt make it Gilwell Park - I was told its like 2 hours or so from BP house. I was only around for 3 nights so a tad bit busy ;-)

Car camping is a bit like glamping - glamourous camping LOL

What blw2 ... just put your lounge/living room in a truck and cart it into a field.

The things I have seen OMG ... huge warm water contraptions, army heaters run on 20 L fuel cans, ... camping chairs, folding cots (aka field beds), ...

I know people who have special SHELVES that are transportable so they have a SHELF IN THE TENT !!

Mind you a 10-person tent for 4 adults is pretty cool ...

Oh yeah and you ever carried a kitchen sink on a hike?

Plus any type of electronic toy really ^o^

Usually for "cubs first night out" we tend to do foil wraps in the coals of the fire.

The kids get to cut up, clean all the veggies n stuff themselves, works good with hamburger or minced meat,

I and think that "I wrapped it myself" thingo is pretty cool for the small ones.

 

Another nice thing is "eggs in a bag"

just have a "buffet" with grated cheese, bacon, ham, mushrooms whatever and each kid gets a couple

of eggs, cracked into a ziplock bag raw and mixed with what they want,

then each scout writes their name on their bag and all the bags go in a big pot of boiling water and - voila - scrambled eggs and

you dont even need to do dishes (spoon right out of the bag like an MRE LOL)

 

Oh and I love Dutch Ovens. I need to get myself one. Mmmmh peach cobbler nom nom...

They want it scrambled. With cheese. Lots of it.

A splash of milk in the bag yummo nom nom ... how are you going to get that in the shell huh? ;-)

One a side note we had a competition which cub patrol was fastest in making a fire and boiling an egg.

The adult patrol won (I had my Jetboil with me....hihi cheating aye)

I just learned something new ^o^ See, I didnt know Kiwanis

(orignal name: The Benevolent Order of Brothers, Motto: “serving the children of the worldâ€Â, behind Lions and Rotary the Kiwanis is the 3rd largest)

Rotary supports another unit - do you know how? Did you ask them?

Did you ask Kiwanis?

That VFW cant pay their own rent is sad. But just maybe one of these old grunts can help you. Did you ask?

basementdweller - I understand you better than you think.

If you have become a personna non gratta then you need a new face - any volunteer or parent that could help

you as Committee Fundraising Officer or Grant Administrator?

You can still do a lot of the work and the planning and all behind the scenes, but I think you need a new face LOL 8-)

If you figure out you need X amount of dollars, go out to 10 churches and ask for 1/10 of X.

First do 10-20 mile circles around your location, but do also look at state and national level outside BSA.

Draft a committe letter that you can send to organisations, stores, trusts, etc.

Usually for "cubs first night out" we tend to do foil wraps in the coals of the fire.

The kids get to cut up, clean all the veggies n stuff themselves, works good with hamburger or minced meat,

I and think that "I wrapped it myself" thingo is pretty cool for the small ones.

Another nice thing is "eggs in a bag"

just have a "buffet" with grated cheese, bacon, ham, mushrooms whatever and each kid gets a couple

of eggs, cracked into a ziplock bag raw and mixed with what they want,

then each scout writes their name on their bag and all the bags go in a big pot of boiling water and - voila - scrambled eggs and

you dont even need to do dishes (spoon right out of the bag like an MRE LOL)

Oh and I love Dutch Ovens. I need to get myself one. Mmmmh peach cobbler nom nom...

Drive right past a casino on the way to work.......I have looked longing at it and thought about it.....I am sure council would frown upon it...... Our unit is fairly close only one unit is closer than us to it....... Hmmmmm

Grant me a bit more info: I know what you need, but how many boys? And what city/state are you in?

Again: do you have Rotary, Lions or a Lodge in your area? (check Yellowpages)

You have to think of these people a bit like adult scouts:

all they do is fundraise and help here and there ... !!!

The number of ASMs and SMs who are in lodges can be quite surprising.

thank you very much boomerscout: yes indeed a visit to a local library can never replace 1,000 online searches!

Ask the librarian by all means.

 

-Check your records if before your time your pack/troop already apllied to something somewhere (treasurer/historian)

 

-Gambling Trusts

A lot of grants in NZ are given by Trusts run by the big gambling companies (casino/lotto). There is local licensed places that do smaller grants as well.

4. "Selling raffle tickets or other games of chance is a direct violation of the BSA Rules and Regulations, which forbid gambling. The product must not detract from the ideals and principles of the BSA."

Now as it is worded I cannot see how a grant or contribution from a casino would break those rules, as non of the scouts or scouters would be selling tickets or enterting a game of chance (lets forget about the chance of the application being approved).

Similiar rule in New Zealand: no raffle tickets etc to be sold by scouts. Casino funding scout hut roof = no problem.

LOL about washing money clean ...

A scout is clean and there should be no need to launder funds or hide anything, and please be creative in other areas than accounting.

Just phrase things right ROFL

It goes into a computer system to which they have no control nor guarantee of reasonable safeguards. We all make decisions with our personal information based on our priorities. Can you assure them nothing bad will happen, nope. Can you tell them it's required to be a leader, yep. Can they decide not to be a leader based on that requirement, yep. As a guy who has been victimized by CC fraud and identity theft I can't say as I blame them.

I think giving name & D.O.B. for a background check is a real no-brainer.

BSA doesnt keep your CC info, the scout shop actually black it out on the receits.

And whoever wants to hide that basic info shouldnt be a volunteer with kids.