Tokala
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Hey nolesrules!
"Our lodge (Timuquan 340) did away with the multi-border designs for OBV just before my ordeal. Sadly, of the 6 flaps I still need for my collection, 1 is a Brotherhood flap and 2 are Vigil flaps from the 1980s, the other 3 are work force flaps from Section Conference preparations in 1973 and 1982."
I was the lodge chief for Timuquan when the OBV flaps came around. I couldn't tell you why we ended up with the 3 different borders, but it happened. For clarification, the Ordeal flap was sold unrestricted (basically considered the trader). Brotherhood and Vigil members could only buy 1 flap per weekend. Vigils could buy Brotherhood flaps or Ordeal flaps. Brotherhood could buy Brotherhood or Ordeal. These flaps went away for 2 reasons:
#1) They absolutely destroyed the fundraising capabality of the lodge. Selling only 1 flap per person is ineffective fundraising, unless the price is excessive.
#2) The lodge adviser who took over in 1988 noticed the longstanding National policy of no different flaps for the different memberships. He advised/led/demanded that the youths change the flap.
I also happened to serve as the Section Conference chairman when Timuquan hosted in 1982. Sadly, I don't have any extras of those flaps lying around.
Flaps serve 2 purposes only:
#1) The main purpose to identify someone as a member of a lodge
#2) Flap sales fund a lot of the lodge business. Profits from NOAC patches fund the lodge's Founder's Day booth at NOAC. Sand Hill service corp flaps funded approximately $8,000 in maintenance and construction at camp preparing for the 2009 Section Conference. It's easier to get someone to buy $10-50 worth of patches than to ask them for a donation.
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Over the past weekend, I had a chance to speak with a friend who has heard from the staff at the camp. I will not expand on the story, but will tell you this....the article is accurate. From the use of the racial slur, duct tape, drinking urine, and the youth lured away. The act was planned during the week of camp and was not a spontanteous "prank".
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I know the camp director, but have not spoken with him. Kidnapping charges aren't filed for headlines. All 4 accused have had their BSA membership revoked.
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Another camp affected by swine flu:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6748888
Maple Dell in Utah closed for 1 week due to 1 staff member testing positive.
Mafaking, I wasn't trying to be an internet spellchecker. I literally got a chuckle out of the "swine flue". I hope you did not take my commet differently.
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Looks like the little bug made a trip to summer camp:
http://www.campdanielboone.org/Home/tabid/188/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/215/Default.aspx
Editted to add: LOL, I just noticed everyone spelled flu as flue. When did pigs get chimneys?(This message has been edited by Tokala)
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I'm all for using names with a more local flavour, but I think that I would want to check with the local Native groups, etc. for permission and guidance.
Now, see that just wouldn't work in my lodge. The last 10 years or so they have been using Timucua for Vigil names. The lodge takes it's name from the tribe, however, it was misspelled ad Timuquan, back in the 40s when it was originally chartered. Anyone familiar with the Timucua would realize that it's a dead language. There are no Timucua Indians left and haven't been for hundreds of years.
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We just ran our first Traner's EDGE course this weekend. I helped staff the course. On my intial review of the syllabus, I thought, and still do, that's it's the most poorly written syllabus that I've ever seen. It definitely needs some editting and refining. I don't see the need for the course to go for 6-8 hours. It could easily be condensed into 3-4 hours. Oddly enough, the syllabus doesn't really use EDGE to present this material. It relies heavily on explaining, but doesn't do much demonstrating, guiding, or enabling. A rewrite incorporating EDGE into delivery of the material would really help.
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A longtme Scouting friend of mine is receiving the Silver Antelope, so I'm going to the luncheon on Thursday. I'll look for some of the guys that I'll be working with at NOAC and Jambo, but I won't bother checking into to too much else.
I'm not much into politics or schmoozing.(This message has been edited by Tokala)
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I did all of my summer camps, both as a camper and a staffer, at Camp Soule in Clearwater, FL. Council stopped operating summer camp there in 1988 and moved it to our new camp, Sand Hill Scout Reservation, in Brooksville, FL. I volunteered a weeks time to be a part of the "moving crew". We hauled all the tents, cots, platforms, etc from one camp to the other and then set up. It took a week to move eveything. Sand Hill opened one week later.
Due to drought, rabid development, and overpumping of ground water, Sand Hill's 40 acre lake is now a mud pit not much bigger than a olympic-sized pool. Camp Soule still has a healthy lake and a large swimming pool. I have convinced my Council to hold an Aquatics Camp at Camp Soule. The Aquatics Camp will allow our units to experience every aquatics badge or advancement. It should also get a couple of the old-timers fired up to see a week of summer camp at Camp Soule again.
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Heck, I was at A.P. Hill for National Jamboree in 1981 when they had the leaking barrel of dioxin at the merit badge midway area. I think I still have the letter that National mailed my parents explaining that I might have been exposed to a carcinogen. I still have a button that proclaims "I Survived A.P. Hill's Spill."
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Liz wrote:
"The letter sent by the lodge makes it sound like it's only for the select few arrowmen who are nominated. Right now, one of their friends in their troop is pretty high up in Lodge leadership, which is probably part of why they got the invitation. Then again, they're both very active arrowmen so maybe they would have been nominated anyway."
I have never heard of a lodge handling NOAC recruitment this way. The lodges in Florida have open registration. If someone has $50 to pay a deposit; they can go to NOAC. In the past there have been youth-to-adult ratios imposed by National that occasionally limits adult attendance. I find it out that a lodge would "invite" Arrowmen when it's basically an event that anyone who can afford to go, can go.
As for the $928 fee, it doesn't sound that bad. Taking the NOAC fee out of the total leave your lodge with $533 to get Scouts to the event. I can imagine that airfare takes all of that in the budget. My lodge is charging $750. They flying from Tampa to Indianapolis and then paying the $30/35 to ride the shuttles to Bloomington. They are not doing any sightseeing on this trip.
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If you want to make American Indian clothes, then make them. It's a hobby that is not limited to the Order of the Arrow or any specific age or program. Do your research on which culture you wish to make items and learn to do them tastefully and of a decent quality. The only limitations are that face paint, masks and wigs are not to be used according to BSA/OA guidelines.
My lodge at one time had members attending the ceremonies in Seminole clothing because the ceremonial team wears it and they're the local culture. It's much better than using Timucua clothing that would consists of a few furs, heavy tattooing, and spanish moss breechcloths.(This message has been edited by Tokala)
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I joined as a Cub Scout in 1972. Much like scoutldr, our Pack was sponsored by the Catholic church/school and the membership was basically the students. We too wore our Cub uniform to school and either road to the den meeting with our den mother or rode our bikes. I crossed over into the troop sponsored at the same church/school. I've bounced around between different troops and district level jobs. I have remained an active and involved leader on unit, district and council level to this day. My membership has been with the same council all of this time.
We also went to JC Penney to buy our uniforms.(This message has been edited by Tokala)
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Scouter760, glad to be of some help. I am not a native speaker of lakota. I spent many years singing lakota songs and advising my lodge's sing team. We stressed that it was just as important to learn the words and translations as it was to learn the song. We had some younger lakotas from Pine Ridge that visited occasionally and worked with us. Once you learn the basics, it's not too difficult. Seeing the words spelled out phonetically makes it more difficult to figure out the words. I'll do some more research and see if I can't get close on the two you mentioned. Some of the basic parts of those words seem to be:
"heya" which is basic "was said".
"unki" which I haven't been able to remember. (oon-kee)
"sni" which is "no" or a negative. (snee) This is actually pronounced "sh nee".
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Most of the words appear to be Lakota. Oddly, though, they are phonetical spellings and not how a Lakota would spell them.
East: WIYOHIYA PATA
North: WAZIYATA
South: ITOKAGATA
West: WIYOHPE YATA
Earth: MAKA
One glaring "error" is Wakanda/Wakonda because that's a southern plains word. The Lakota great spirit is Wakantanka.
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I'll take the course in August. It's required for me since I'll be the course director for wood badge in 2010. I'm not sure that the Trainer's EDGE staff would qualify for my job as a CD. Odd.
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I've had names suggested at JLTC and NYLT that I would not approve. The patrols all start with a color as designated by the t-shirts that they are given upon check-in. They are referred to as the "red patrol", "blue patrol", etc. They have 1 day to chose a name. Most work the color into their proposal. I turned down "red retards" and a few others over the years. For some reason the patrol that ended up with red shirts was always the one with discpline problems. We stopped handing out red shirts because it seemed to be more than a coincidence. I also avoided colors that the Scouts would be embarrassed to wear.
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Beaver,
It's not all just the qualifications. Going "by the book" only 2 people qualified as SM or 1st ASM. Guess what jobs they got? We have a couple of alternates for 2nd ASM, but that's it. There was very little interest from volunteers in the Council. Some said it was not publicized; however, it was in the Council newsletter for the last 4 months.
The first deadline was January 31 and it was $4K per troop. Council decided that they did not want to be on the hook for the down payment of $4K and the remaining obligation of about $28K. That's a high stakes gamble in these times. See National doesn't let you off the hook once you make the deposit. Pay the initial $100 deposit for a Scout and the Council is obligated to pay the remaining balance, even if the Scout doesn't go and a replacement can not be found.
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West Central Florida Council was given two troop slots for Jamboree. Based on only having qualified adults to lead one troop, we gave the other troop back. At this time only about 20-22 Scouts have paid the $10 online fee and only a couple have paid the $100 deposit. We are trying to keep the cost down to around $1500-1800.
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For a large event like a National Jamboree, I wonder how they plan on transporting half of the crowd over the 1 lane across the dam to the PMI side of the property?
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I heard rumors that Goshen SR was being consider while staying there for ArrowCorps5. It is a large facility with the lake in the middle. It's also an old, run-down camp. If it's chosen, National should level what infrastructure is there and start fresh.
Seems one of the major criteria is closeness to DC. I thought that they might try to shift the site further west to ease the travel requirements for Scouts from the west coast.
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Incorrect SR540Beaver.
All it requires is at least 1 beaver on staff.
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jet526, congrats on deciding to pursue wood badge training. Wood badge truly is an unforgettable experience.
As for beavers, bah! My council has an infestation. My course is next year and there will not be a beaver patrol.;-)
National BSA Guidance
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Nowhere does it say that the Scoutmaster, and only the Scoutmaster, is a role model for the youth. EVERY adult involved in Scouting sets an example, good or bad, for the youth that they interact with in the program.
I know some outstanding female role models and some horrid male role models in Scouting. While the patch on our sleeve defines our responsibilities, we all are role models for the youth that we interact with in every level of Scouting.