Once_Eagle-Always_Eagle

Pack: I'll try to answer your question by asking some other questions first. Where would you propose the new line for membership be? - Should we allow girls into the Boy Scout program? After all, why should we discrimiate on gender and prohibit them the same freedom granted to boys? - Should we remove the minimum age from cub scouts? Why discriminate based on age? Allowing freedom of younger scouts to join to before they get involved in other programs. - Should we open the program to devil worshipers? Alas, there may be units that do this already although I'd hope not. But would you c

And this is why I love this forum. Thanks ADC! I just didn't read far enough down the policy,but that lays it out really well. As qwazse said, this isn't a slippery slope at all. you guys are great!

So the YPT policy says no boy may share a tent with an adult other than his own parent. Pretty black and white, right? ok, so here goes the slippery slope. 1) What about sleeping on an aircraft carrier, battleship or submarine? Most scout units do this at some point and they've never given us separate quarters for adults and youth. Is this a violation of policy? Personally, I believe we were fine. 2) What about a lock-in/sleep-over? In the past we put the boys on the floor and adults on cots in front of the doors. We had 15~20 boys in a room with 4 adults. Did we break policy

There has been an abundance of talk after the unspeakable horror of what transpired in Newtown, CT on 12/14/12. Most of the talk since has been around solutions or blame. I've listened to various sources over the last 5 days and a non-exhaustive list of things I have heard includes: Solutions: We need to allow teachers to carry guns. We need armed/trained security guards in schools. We need to ban semi-automatic weapons. We need to prohibit or greatly limit violent video games. We need bullet proof glass/locks that would prevent a gunman from breaking in. We need a bet

Yes the other roundtable of the other district is closer to us but the extra 20 mile drive to roundtable once/month isn't going to break us. And yes I think the neighboring district is better run, but that isn't why I am interested in switching either. Bottom line, our unit has lost confidence in our DE entirely... and the district chair is even further gone- yet council supports these two lock, stock and barrel. In fact, they dismissed *ALL* volunteers on the district committee EXCEPT the district chairman. We had people in there with 10~20 years of scouting experience who were abruptly r

Our council has defined districts based on population centers- no qualms there. However, for a number of reasons it looks like it is conceivably better for our unit if we could switch districts. Is this possible? If so, what is the process? Has anyone ever done this or heard of it being done?

I was able to collect a lot of opinions and draw them into a single document. If anyone is interested, you can see the finished product here: https://sites.google.com/site/forneycubscoutpack1007/importantdocs/tips_and_tricks_to_a_great_pack_ver2.pptx

i believe the bsa spokesman said it well. There is a difference between disagreement and disrespect- and i see many posters that make no such distinction. i can respect your difference in religious beliefs or even your belief that homosexuality is normal... but it doesn't mean i agree. the problem i have is you are changing the standards after the fact. if you don't like the standards start a new org. and allowing local CO only works to the extent we have agreed upon standards. Take it to the Nth degree... lets allow girls in too if the chartered org will- i can think of MANY be

as usual beavah- wise reply. i'm just scared the bsa will cave to the societal pressure... but i conceed the wisdom of your position.

Ah packsaddle... :-( I didn't link to the petition on purpose. I didn't want anyone to sign it. I want to support the BSA policy.

I fully realize this has been beaten to death in other threads (e.g. When will National realize this is affecting membership). My concern is that this topic appears to have a lot of social momentum and I'd like to see us rally together in support of the BSA policy. For those that may have missed the national news headlines in the last week, this is all over the news again and is now a change.org petition. The wording of the change.org petition I am wishing to counter is shown below: ### start of change.org petition ### My 7-year-old son, Cruz, loves being a Cub Scout, and he r

Improved version now up: http://www.vote4noneoftheabove.com am I the only one disgusted with the choices for president this year?

ok, version 2 posted trying to incorporate a lot of the feedback. The main one I know I ignored is about the quotes because I have a sentimental attachment to them. https://sites.google.com/site/forneycubscoutpack1007/importantdocs/tips_and_tricks_to_a_great_pack_ver2.pptx Better? p.s. - You may need to view the notes page now to get the context of some of the bullets. p.p.s- oops- i forgot to correct Cubmaster(This message has been edited by once_eagle-always_eagle)

I am teaching a course at the University of Scouting on tips for a great pack. I'd love to hear your input and feedback for changes you think I should make- or more importantly, things that you believe I omitted. You can see my presentation at the following location: https://sites.google.com/site/forneycubscoutpack1007/importantdocs/tips_and_tricks_to_a_great_pack.pptx

No offense taken. It's clearly not a black and white issue (at least not to me). And once again to be transparent, I don't feel 100% good about it. On the other hand, there are few things I do feel 100% certain of. To me it *is* an issue of loyalty... and while you didn't profess a loyalty oath, it is the second principle in the scout law "A scout is trustworthy, LOYAL, ..." His loyalty is to the other units- and I assert that loyalty is ultimately hurting the boys in our unit. Here's how it plays out. When I refer to finances, it's not about a big bank account. We're non profi

These boys are new Webelo 1 scouts working toward their Webelo rank. From page 49, requirement "7B" is to "Explain the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto and Scout Slogan." The requirements on page 63 are for the Arrow of Light- to be achieved AFTER a boy earns his Webelo badge. In other words, I take it as a progression. In order to get their Webelo rank, they have to understand the meaning of the words. I could have my son learn the scout law in Russian too, but it wouldn't mean anything if he doesn't understand the meaning of the words. I am teaching our boys what does it mean

Prior to composing the email, I notified the CoR and the cubmaster and we all agreed. I *did* find out after sending it that while the CoR agreed with the decision to remove him as leader, he preferred that I do it in person rather than through email... so I have to figure out how I can recover from that. The problems I had can be reduced to this: 1) The asst webelo leader wasn't trying to ensure our Webelos visisted all troop units in town (we have 3). He was significantly biased to Troop 2. I'm not saying the boys need to go to Troop 1 either, but I believe they deserve equal oppor

Would you have done the same if you were committee chair? For background: 1) I am the committee chair of Pack 1. 2) We also have a Troop 1. 3) About 1 year ago, Troop 2 split from Troop 1 because the leaders didn't share the same vision for what a troop should be. 4) Last month during JSN, Pack 2 was formed. I sent the following email to my asst Webelo Leader: ==================== Dear : Over the last several months, we have grown at odds with each other and the tension between us has arguably increased. To speak to my side of the equation- looking at it from

>> but means the people who wrote the bible found it not to be a problem, therefore it was acceptable I disagree. (we won''t get into divine inspiration in this thread. :-) Because something is recorded as occurring doesn't mean it is approved... Just means the writers were honest about what happened. The authors recorded David's sin with Bathseba and how he plotted to murder her husband so he could have her for himself. Doesn't mean that the people who recorded it agreed... or take Joseph who was sold into slavery by his brothers. Again, the writer wasn't saying it was right

I want to repeat what I have suggested in other posts because I doubt everyone is going back and reading all 9 pages of this. I'll go out on a limb and suggest the BSA prohibition against homosexuals is not due to any perceived risk by homosexuals nor prejudice toward them. It is simply their interpretation of what defines morally acceptable behavior. However, the comment that drew me to re-engage on this thread was: >> Well here is the original law for that citation... "Which is that there is no penalty for men who have sexual relations with >> boys under the age

I have seen several people advocating the CO decide who is and is not qualified to be leaders. Specifically- in context- will the CO permit homosexual leaders or not. I suspect this would lead to more problems than it would fix. Personally, I find value in having a national standard. When I go to McDonalds and order a Big Mac, I *know* what I am going to get. I don't have someone who decided the burger would be better served with mustard instead of the special sauce. If you allow CO's do set their own criteria for leaders, you have made it incumbent on those outside the organization

This started as a private message, but as I typed more, I felt compelled to post my reply publicly in the hopes that even one person would find something of value. Nugent: So on the point of choice, we may probably just agree to disagree- and I'm ok to do that. I can tell you that a God wouldn't be fair, just and loving if he condemned a man for being born a red head... nor would he be fair, just and loving if he condemned a person for any other biological trait they were born with. That forces me then to the idea then that to be gay is not a condition by birth but rather a choice t

I'll take a stab at it... Nugent's argument looks solid on the surface but misses the point. The idea of substituting black for gay is not a valid substitution. "On my honor I will do my best to keep myself physically fit, mentally awake AND MORALLY STRAIGHT" The issue at hand is if the person appointed as the leader has kept themselves MORALLY STRAIGHT and what is the yardstick you use to measure that. I will humbly admit that while I have my own beliefs, they are established upon a standard that is not universally accepted and would not be agreed on by every person

I showed them that exact same line. Their retort was that it was an opinion on the disservice. They claim that the relationship is built between the boys by starting earlier. And the one that killed me is when they said "Guide to Safe Scouting is just a guide. It's not literal mandates." To which I replied: "So if it is just a suggestion, let's take the kids riding 4-wheelers or shooting shotguns." They called me nuts and said that wasn't safe for a 9 year old boy... and when I told them neither is climbing a 14K mountain.. and they told me that was my opinion... and the dog

Eagle92 & Blancmage: It sounds like we all agree. The request to cite a reference was rather rhetorical. This committee is twisting words to enforce their own agenda which I can only speculate on. My district has a problem that is 180 degree polar opposite of Basement's issue. I use the term 'problem' loosely because the only people that seem to take issue with it are the oober-conservative leaders like myself. Our district chairman is also the committee chair for a local troop. This last summer, this leader took a group of boys on a 6 day trip to the top of Mt. Elbert (a