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S-F Grace

For the gifts of food and freedom

And hills to roam

For crimson sunsets

For the earth, our home

For the stars at night

And gentle wind in trees

Thank you, Great Spirit,

For all of these.

- Amen

Camp Lewallen Grace

Beneath the stars above Logan,

by the river as it winds,

Looking over old Potashnik,

and sheltered by the towering pines,

We thank you Lord for these blessings

this food, this fellowship, and this day.

And ask your continued grace and mercy

as we carry on the Scouting way

YIS

Doug

Welcome I recomend start them thinking as Patrols, when I was a Webelos Leader I got the badge out of the way, then worked with the Denner that rotated on what Activity pins the Patrol wanted to work on, started the Patrol method a little early but I planned the meetings still. I think it worked well we have only had one boy leave since crossover and he liked football better than Scouts.

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Doug

Thats up to the patrol my outdoor leader patrol was the Advil patrol our yell was Oh my aching back.

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Doug

Personal gear is personal, unfortunatley the scoters are responsable for the canoe. Our troop will not reimburse for damage to personal gear unless damaged in transport from improper storage by the quartwe master. If they thought it was a good idea to borrow that expensive of a conoe then they are stuck with repair or replacment cost.

My 2 cents

YIS

Doug

Talk to the individual and hopefully they will be more discreet. In our troop this is unacceptable behavior and the leader would be removed from the unit. In our by-laws we state all scouts & scouters must obey the scout oath and law. I know everyone has different morals so thier is a fudge factor to a certain aspect, good luck and good scouting.

YIS

Doug

We have done this ceremony for years . with no scout trying to recreate it. Obviousley we don't tell what were doing just the magic water of scouts. We have never had an accident, so I say enjoy the ceremony and give the boys a good show.

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Doug

Kittle Apache Bob is right in stick to your guns, in my trainings I've never heard the term local unit. Anyone can join any BSA unit as long as they meet BSA & the COR requirments, and no pack or troop are always the right fit. I transfered my youngest son to a different unit because of issues with a helicopter parent in his den. He has enjoyed scouting more and will get his Arrow of Light this year. Enjoy the pack & troop your part of and sharing info is a service not a crime.

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Doug

2002 Cub Scout Committee

2003 Den Leader Specific Bear

2004 Den Leader Specific Webelos

2005 Outdoor Leader Webelos

2006 ASM Scoutmaster Specific Training

2007 ASM outdoorleader Training

ETA 2009 WoodBadge

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Doug

At Troop meetings & COH they would have to be tucked in but as John says in the field out would be ok. I just hope they want to wear the new one.

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Doug

the only time we send scouts home if they are being a danger to themselves or the unit. No I caught a bunch of heat 2 years ago from 2 moms that signed thier boys up 7 sent them to camp, both boy's just wanted to hang out and fish. That was fine by us but when we got home mom was mad as you can guess both boy's have left the program, being it was forced upon them. So no we would never send a scout unless he is causing issues.

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Doug

Lisa Bob have you looked into a bus the troop I was involved in as a youth was chartered by our school, and we were able to use the bus and haul our trailer. Depending on the size of your troop it may be cheaper if you don't need a lot of gear bus rental or tickets may be cheaper.

Good Luck

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Doug

it is indeed a sad day in scouting, I know or district chair had an incident with white gas as a scout. So our district uses propane except for hi-adventure were it is not a good fit. As i tell the scouts planning & preperation are not just words think of the consequences before acting.

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Doug

In our units if a scout does not participate they need to buy out. A scout isthrifty can be shown as the grubmaster. We have some scouts that spend every penny were some that do the buyout turn money back in. As in all units it's what works for you.

Good Luck

YIS

Doug

Robvio I also would recomend for your PLC, last year we had them research and present to the scouts their top 3 canidates. Their are several camps within 6 hours of McGee unsure as to your location in Kentucky. The greater St. Louis area have a couple camps that might fit your needs I have attached our property list that your PLC can review.

http://www.stlbsa.org/Camping/Properties/?WBCMODE=PresenJoinUsDetailsJoinUsDetailsJoinUsDetaiJoinUsDetailsJoinUsDetailsJoinUsDetailsJoinUsDetailsJoinUsDetails

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Doug

The last 2 years temp was in the upper 90's roll up the side walls & flaps we were good to go. I've never seen some one running extension cords in camp, were not thier for home sweet home.

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Doug

I have been part of a volunteer removal

1.We contacted the SE presented the facts

2.SE agreed set up meeting with COR & CC

3.Everyone agreed called individual in for meeting

4. Membership revoked email to all parents advising So & So stepped down new Cubmaster is ***

If this can be prevented I would recomend not going down this path. Because it has taken 3 years t get the faith back and stop all the rumor mongering.

My .02

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Doug

Just recieved an email from my district about how we as scouters can help this council and the scout familys affected. Below is the link that takes you to thier district webpage, as a troop we are looking at what we can do.

http://www.mac-bsa.org/

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Doug

We went to a local triler shop Craftsman Ind. that pays the copy right fees to install on our trailer it turn out great and they did all the work. i am copying or contact person here in St. Charles don't know if they have other locations.

Julie King

Craftsmen Industries

636.940.5848(Direct)

636.284.0506(Cell)

jking@craftsmenind.com

Hope this helps

YIS

Doug

Baden P

I understand your frustration but as I tell my scouts unless youv walked in thats scout shoes how do you know what they have or havent done. An example we had a group of boys working on citisenship in the community, they planned a project for the local park, and 2 scouts didn't show. Well when they got thier badge they were saying they hadn't earned it, but they had done landscaping and yard work for a retirment center in the area. So they had preformed the requirment not the same as the other scouts. It bothers me when Scouts or Scouters are less than cordial because of a resentment or envy of someone elses position.

Thanks for letting me rant

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Doug

I enjoyed Cub & Boy scouts as a youth, then my oldest son joined hung back watching him grow. Then the outing coordinater transfered and no one was stepping up, I volunteered the rest is history. ASM at the troop level and committee chair at the pack not the favorite subjet with the wife. The reason I do it is seeing the joy and confidence when you see someone that thought I can't do that succede.

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Doug

We have had issues with Cell phones and troop policy is no electronic devices on trips or campouts under two & 1/2 hours. We have oue cells posted if parents have a concearn but we put all scouts in a lockbox if they forgot and took one. We encourage parents to let the boys experiance camp, and they can visit on thursday night or send care packages any time. This has helped from years past were scouts got upset that so & so called home but he didn't have a cell or money for the pay phone.

Camp is not for electronics

My 2 cents

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Doug

Being we are chartered out of a school our trailer is our storage area. We have a tandem trailer 17x10 that has a front door and 2 rear doors. We have shelfs built in the sides for Patrol Boxes, coolers & dry boxes as well as a jerry jug & 5 gal water cooler. Tents & tarps are across the top. with poles underneath the shelfs. We have a flam cabinet for the propane and in the nose the wood yard gear. We use it as the rest with Backpacks & gear down the isle so we can have more scouts in cars. At this time we are a car camping troop but we are changing Scoutmasters so that might change. Keeping my fingers crossed.

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Doug

Our Troop Policy on long trips, we figure in gas cost as part of the trip and each leader driving is given that amount at the start of the trip. On smaller outings we have never reimbursed for gas, most of us keep a log and deduct the mileage from our taxes.

Hope this helps

YIS

Doug

In our Troop Scout funds are never transfered when aging out if the scout transfers to another troop, then his money follows. If some one has a balance when they age out, we divide a portion for our Campership program and the rest goes in the regular fund. As to your $30,000.00 if this is not earmarked for anything, this is too much money and can only lead to issues. Have a cup of coffee with the CC & SM and set up ways to use the funds in your program or FOS. Good luck you have to slowly work on the committee, this didn't get this way overnight.

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Doug

We got the silverware donated by our local grocery store of missmatched cutlery from damaged packages. Also on the cookware we have a cummins tool, and harbor frieght outlet stores that were cheaper than wal-mart.

Good Luck & enjoy summer camp

YIS

Doug