Help/suggestions. At least 50% of my troop (the older half) thinks that campouts are for eating, staying up late and loud, playing football, and disrespecting everything the Scoutmaster or SPL says. Cleaning up, Scouting skills, campsite organization, etc. aren't part of their vocabulary. They're city kids/couch potatoes and proud of it. I do have some kids (younger half)that want to do it right. We don't have anyone in our church who wil take on a Venturing Crew, and I can't just kick the older kids out due to policy. Any suggestions?