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Troops that camp every month often complain about the poor attendance at these activities. They should realize that one of the reasons of the poor attendance could very well be that there is too much camping. I know troops whose meetings consist of nothing that cleaning up from one campout, planning the menu and packing for the next campout. >(OO)< I don't know why this never dawned on me. The only way a patrol could go on a patrol campout would be to squeeze in a second one in a month. We were frustrated by low turn out, 20-25% at about half the campouts but instead of cutting bac

evmori: Adding the days and night required for Tenderfoot, Second class and first Class together. There are only three night total since joing Gotta disagree. The requirements can be met concurrently. The Second and First Class requirements expressly say "Since joining" not "Since your last rank" or "In addition to". So the night for Tenderfoot is one of the nights for Second Class and the two nights for Second Class are two of the nights for First Class.

I do not understand you sudden condescending attitude using phrases such as "until the Master gives us the answers" YOU asked for the quiz remember? You aske for the quiz and then you insult me for posting it when you do not like the results. That is hardly hardly courteous. If I knew that was your intention I would not have met your request. I missed this yesterday. I apologize, referring to you as "the Master" was not intended to be condescending or disrespectful. You have clearly been in the role of a teacher in this, and "the Master" was a failed attempt at humor. I explained that

Let's see if I can fix a few of my prior answers, here are the nine I believe I missed. Who sits on a board of review for the ranks or Tenderfoot through First Class? 3-6 unit (troop or team) committee members. Unit leaders, assistant unit leaders, relatives, or guardians are excluded from serving on the board. Except for merit badges who can sign a scout's advancement requirements? The Scoutmaster or a person that the Scoutmaster delegates. Can a scout sign his own handbook? Only if the Scoutmaster gives the scout this authority. How many elective merit badges must a scout complete

That's ok because you also had an another anwer incorrect and I wasn't going to mention it till the answers were posted, so you are correct you only had 52% correct and not 61% my apologies for the miscount. Oh, well. Getting things wrong is how you learn.

I would agree jet526, but consider who asked the question, we need to parse as much as possible! After all, there is no COR, just a CR! LOL! BTW, I've been biting my tongue about there being 18 questions, there are nineteen. I think I've identified most of the ones I got wrong but I'm waiting. But we both answered the same on this one: Who sits on a board of review for the ranks or Tenderfoot through First Class? Members of the unit committee. On reflection it probably needs to be more specific: After a Scout has completed all requirements for Tenderfoot, Second Class, First Cl

I can tell you from experience, don't send your uniform to the dry cleaners the day before the District Awards Dinner, because you will get your uniform back in one bag, and your patches in another! So did it take the hard and crusty out of the shirt? The website says it does.

If the scouts are going to the ASM's house for the conference, how do you avoid 1 on 1 situations? JUst wondering, do they have to bring a buddy or a parent? The parent may stay (you cannot exclude a parent from a scouting activity, if they want to tag along to their son's ordeal you have to allow them). I always invite the parent to stay but they rarely accept. If the spouse of the ASM is a registered leader then you are still covered. On occasion, another leader will come over as the second adult.

What knots are required for a scout earn First Class Rank? square knot, two half hitches, taut-line hitch, timber hitch, clove hitch, bowline. The only knots are the square & bowline the rest are hitches. Knots, something we can discuss (argue) until the Master gives us the answers. Knot is any of various fastenings formed by looping and tying a rope (or cord) upon itself, to another rope or to another object. All hitches are knots. CalicoPenn's thought that lashings are knots is interesting. I think of knots as having a standing end, but it is not part of the definition. Based on this

Well, I met with the CR and senior ASM(for lack of an better title) today. They say that no one has been able to succeed at having the scouts learn the stuff without retesting at the SMC, but that if I can get the program to the point where this is happening then they are willing to stop the retesting. Fair enough. Next the ASMs.

uz2bnowl, The scout is what he is. Some scouts are not everything you want. I did an Eagle SMC tonight with a scout that turns 18 in November. He has been on one "campout" in the last three years, it was a overnighter in a cabin for a snowboarding trip. He hasn't been in a tent since May of 2005, and only has 31 days of camping total. He has been a source of disappointment for my idea of what a scout is supposed to be for two years now. But, if he had finished in 2006 none of this would be bothering me. And it would not be bothering your SM either. Think of it this way, should you make i

Well, I'm sure BW will give the "right" answers after he lets this thread brew for a while. Good on him. Yes, The problem is I'm an INTP. I am right within the scope of my knowledge...when I find out I am wrong then I have a compulsion to expand my knowledge until I'm right again. It's a curse. I think some of the answers you (and I) got wrong will be nits having to do with the wording of the question. Like, "What knots are required for a scout earn First Class Rank?". A scout already knows the square know so it is not required to earn T-2-1. The same would be true for a scout earning

Jet526 You have 11 correct out of 18 for a 61% Great. Now I get to spend the day rereading the Handbook and I'll have to make a special trip down to Council to get a copy of the ACPP instead of letting it wait until the next time I'm down there. I don't know why I do this to myself, I knew this was going to happen....

"Who is responsible for training unit leaders about the BSA advancement program? I'm thinking the advancement chair, but I'm probably wrong. " This is the only one I disagree with. I think its the CC. I also though it could be the Scoutmaster. The irksome thing on this one is that the back of my brain recalls reading about this on not long ago but it will not yield the answer. Can't wait to see BW pick you (and me) apart! I hear you. There were a few that I was thinking, "This is the answer, I know it is. But it can't be right or why ask it."

In theory dry cleaning will remove it, but I've seen no proof. Goo Gone doesn't even touch it.

Well here I go. I don't have a copy of the ACPP so I just had to make do. Please be gentle. What is the first Rank in Boy Scouts? Tenderfoot. Scout is not a rank, is is just what scouts are. What knots are required for a scout to earn First Class Rank? Square knot, two half hitches, taut-line hitch, clove hitch, clove hitch, timber hitch and the bowline. What knots are required for a scout to earn Eagle? Same as First Class. What is the minimum days and nights of camping that a scout needs to earn First Class?3 How many total days and nights of camping does a scout need to progr

Thank you BW. I'm going to try this first without looking. Then again after trying to find it all. Some I may need to think about.

One time on this forum I posted a list of questions given to about 40 district and council advancement committee volunteers at a Philmont Training Conference. Every question was on the Boy Scout advancement program and every answer was found in either the Boy Scout Hanbook or the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures Manual and the best score anyone got was 40%. None of them even knew how many ranks there were in Boy Scouts. Okay, now I really am curious. How far back do I need to search for this thread? Do you have any keywords that will help narrow the search. Not that I would do

I am confused. What CORs? COR is the commonly used but incorrect code for CR or Charter Organization Representative of which each charter organization has only 1. Okay CR, I didn't know there was an official code, or at least what it was. The registered CR goes back in this position for many years. We've changed CO since he started, and he has continued in that position. But he is not a member of the CO, best that I can figure is that when we changed they just didn't change his title, I've no idea why. Think of him as "Lem". He mostly works with the OA but he still provides guidance to the t

BW, I'll be meeting with the CORs. Believe it or not, this isn't my biggest frustration. It is just the biggest I feel comfortable discussing and I really am wishing I had choosen a different username.

John-in-KC, I'll have better luck with the CORs. The CC was the last SM for 3.5 years, so "saying we are doing this wrong" is saying "you did this wrong".

EagleDad: Thanks. That may help. I think I need to meet with my CORs first. If they are not in agreement then this would just be an unneeded disruption. My son will finish his eagle next month and has already decided that he is going to transfer to a crew. At that point if the CORs is unwilling to make the changes I'll just submit my resignation and go find a pack in need of a Cubmaster (the most fun job in all of scouting). But if the CORs back me then this meeting would be the next thing to do. One COR may but even be aware of the issue. He doesn't come to ASM meetings and I don't recall tal

OGE--I love doing SMCs. In June we had a week long trail to First Class camp. Towards the end of the week we had some scouts who were ready for their Tenderfoot (and some 2nd Class would had been in the troop for a year or two) conferences. It was a blast. If I can make it so that I can do them at meetings and camp out I'll do it in a heart beat. I've even considered just having them with scouts and then asking them to hand me their Handbook and signing them off and tell them to go down the hall for their BOR (The Committee would have a conniption). Are there any leaders who share your thoug

It seems the unit you serve measures its program effectiveness by its ability to crank out Eagle Scouts. We certainly do that. On average a scout advances about one rank every year. How many scouts do you have currently registered in the troop? We have 60 at the moment. We had a couple of bad recruiting years a few years back, but we generally get about 15 new scouts each year. With some changes we made this year most will make 1st Class in the first year so that is 60 there. One rank a year after that makes another 30. Throw in Palm conferences and it is another 10. And if the CO doe

Managing the advancement program is your responsibility as Scoutmaster jet526 and not the ASM's, CC's or CR's. You need to do what you know is right for the scouts and the program. Knowing where I need to be and knowing how to get there are different things. That is my problem. Other than to keep preaching and slowly implementing not not sure what else I can do.