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    • The illustrious council camping committee, ever faithful to have more concern over control and power than getting the scouts camping. If Scouting America had an annual or bi-annual camping nights sleeping in a tent or bare ground rule every member of the district and council camping committees in my council would get the boot. A buddy of mine heard the council camping chair say (in seriousness) that he hates camping. 
    • Read my answer above instead of being combative. Someone at your council did it and blamed national. Someone at your council has no respect for you and made you manually fix what they could have had done with a 100 character script by national.  It is a double straw argument now. Internet has existed and been available for longer than Scouting America/BSA having online tools.  It is what we have everywhere. Somehow, somewhere, sometime, someone introduced this idea that scouting has professional scouters that do everything or anything. We need to get back to the roots of the program and understand that is, and always has been a volunteer based program and if you want scouting in your area you have to recruit a team of volunteers.
    • 1 &2. Then why did we have to resubmit records if there was an easy fix? And why does it keep happening every time there is an upgrade? 2. Depending upon your age, internet may not have been around.  But this is not a straw argument, this is reality. in rural America. 4. Maybe, maybe not. But I can tell you professional serive is non existant on my area.
    • We had something similar almost happen. There was an electric line issue at the camp during an event. One of the Scouters was an electric lineman, and came straight from work to the event, so he had everything needed to fix the problem. He fixed the issue, but a member of the council camping committee was there, had a conniption fit over having someone not approved doing the work. Funny thing was, he worked for the power company that the camp used, and worked there previously when a hurricane hit a few years earlier. 
    • And that is how camps die; ego or ignornance or the combo.  Historical records locally show that the success with camps was always volunteer based, and when the volunteers were ignored or told too hard the camp lost critical capabilities that once were "just fixed" by those that knew how, and gave of their time and personal sources.  Scouting is supposed to be nonprofit.  IF profit is a factor, rather than utility of a basic source with voluteers, you likely will lose the facility or the people.  
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