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    Has anyone ever "respectively declined" an adult award (like a James West)?
    Last edited by oldisnewagain1; 05-10-2013, 03:34 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by oldisnewagain1 View Post
    Has anyone ever "respectively declined" an adult award (like a James West)?
    Not for other awards like the Scouter Key, but I could see how someone would turn down a "purchased" knot. I know BSA says its not (or knot <g>), but when you donate money and they give you a knot, that's purchased in my book.

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  • #3
    A guy I know threw away his new unit organizer award that was given to him for be the leader of a paper Venture crew. He wasn't in a position to "respectfully decline" it because they didn't give it to him at any kind of public thing, so he just chucked it in the trash where it belonged.

    I wouldn't really see the point of declining an award unless they were going to present it to you in front of people. If you don't want it, just don't put it on your uniform.

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    • #4
      It would be discourteous to decline it. Accept it with thanks. Later, as mentioned by Scouter99, don't wear it.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by Scouter99 View Post
        While we're ragging on the West knot, did anyone else doubletake when they saw it on this freshfaced kid's shirt? From BSA's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...52799341245298
        I have seen this in my District. If folks want to donate money more power to them. But to have recognition for donating money defeats the purpose of scout-based altruism.

        @BD: The *difference* between ragging on rich people because their unit can do more than yours and ragging on rich people getting some scouter bling for donating money should be obvious. Rich units are not rubbing their wealth in people's faces or seeking recognition for their wealth...though I will grant you some units do just that. This award, however, is nothing more than someone who can afford to give money like that being give somehting to wear that shows they gave money. Big difference.

        It is like the Paul Harris Fellowship in Rotary: Give money, get a plaque. What's the point? I'd rather give the money and leave it at that....and I have done that.

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        • Nike
          Nike commented
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          What if that kid spent the summer cutting lawns and decided to donate some of his pay to his local council?

        • Basementdweller
          Basementdweller commented
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          How did I miss this.......

          Nike....I have yet to meet the young man who makes a grand mowing lawns.....

          So Krampus, why $1000 and not $100????? We have Dennis99ss or something like that who flys his troop to summer camp. We have that gay denied eagle scout from san fransisco whose troop travels to Alaska and hawaii... We have another troop that post to this forum that flew to Valley Forge from Texas for a weekend event.....Who and the heck does that with a Troop??? Obviously your not hauling patrol boxes and tents.......So how does that contribute to the program.

          At what point does it become man scouting and not boy scouting...........The boys can learn leadership at the local camp better than jetting off to Half Dome or Mt. McKinley.

          We got an email from our summer camp....The CD has relented and they rich boys are bringing their golf carts and gators again this year........great.......I am glad we will not be going back there, ever if I have my way. But yet I cannot bring my mountain bike to ride on the roads.......

      • #6
        Noticing the knots below....

        Could it be instead of giving the kid another Cross pen, some over-priced dust collector from Scout Stuff or another gift he really didn't need, someone choose to honor this kid's Eagle by making a contribution to Scouting in his name? I'm having a hard time finding the problem with this.

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        • skeptic
          skeptic commented
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          I agree with you; our district Eagle BOR coordinator, who is retired and has no family has given a number of these donations in honor of various of his scouting friends. That is the only reason I wear said knot, because he presented it to me at a roundtable. Should I not wear it because it represents money he donated in my honor because he does not want the government to get his small legacy when he dies and feels this is a good way to thank friends?

        • Basementdweller
          Basementdweller commented
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          I don't generally have an extra $1k laying around to give to anyone....Just sayin.

      • #7
        If someone gives you a gift, if you don't have anything against it, accept it. As to the creator of a "paper Venturing unit" throwing a new unit founder award in the trash, why would anyone want to create a paper Venturing unit in the first place? I don't really understand most of the people in this thread.

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        • #8
          Originally posted by BartHumphries View Post
          If someone gives you a gift, if you don't have anything against it, accept it. As to the creator of a "paper Venturing unit" throwing a new unit founder award in the trash, why would anyone want to create a paper Venturing unit in the first place? I don't really understand most of the people in this thread.
          For me a knot should be about achievement. To be honest, besides the eagle and aol knot, I think the rest should go. It looks sort of foolish to me for an adult to have 50 knots on their uniform like some banana republic general. I have noticed most folks that wear those don't have eagle or aol knots so maybe they are making up for lost possibilities. In the end it is a personal preference. I prefer not to wear them. I have six, I wear none.

          You have every right to wear whatever BSA considers legal. I think what your friend did was very nice. For me, and this is my personal opinion, I would feel weird wearing a knot (of any kind) but specifically for something that was not based on an achievement of some sort.

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          • #9
            Yes sir, I can say for a fact it has been done. Supporting scouting scouting is a factastic thing, buying a knot is not.

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            • #10
              Thank you all for your comments especially when it comes to the James West.

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              • #11
                Banana republic genreals? That's a good one. I think 3 knots on the shirt is enough (my personal policy and opinion). If anyone meets the requirements for an award (knot), they have the privilege to wear it. Our uniform guide remind us of keeping the uniform neat in appearance and uncluttered, but it also shows us how to wear muliple knots that would contradict it's own guidelines.

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                • #12
                  I don't have any intrinsic problem with the James West, I'd love to earn one one day myself, I did think it looks odd on the kid in that photo.

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                  • #13
                    But there lies the problem does anyone "earn" the James West?

                    As I understand the requirements;

                    1.Be a registered Scout or Scouter

                    2.Make, or made in your name, a contribution of $1000 or more to the local council's West Fellowship Fund.

                    Am I missing something here?

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                    • #14
                      My local district committee has a tradition of taking up a collection every year to make a West donation in the name of a Scouter who has gone above and beyond in their dedication to Scouting. The planned recipient is not told of the honor, and all discussion happens via emails sent seperate from any meetings. This seems to me about as close to "earning" a James West knot as you can get. I'm one of the newest committee members, so I don't have any expectations of getting one, but if it did happen to me sometime in the future I would gladly accept the recognition and add the knot to my uniform. I haven't been around long enough to know what happens if they can't find a worthy recipient or if they fail to raise the funds needed.

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                      • #15
                        I think the West award as a recognition is fantastic. If you want to purchase it - that is fine too. Scouting costs money - hopefully that endowment money gets back to the council it was donated at. My old OA lodge used to do West awards if the budget allowed for it. To see a dedicated youth or adult arrowman recognized when they already have the Vigil Honor or the Founders Award was nice.

                        While I don't have the West knot, I don't see any problem with it. I enjoy seeing them on Professional uniforms because it means they are contributing too.

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