Question about BSA Knots

[JimmyD 10]

Right now i'm 18 years old and i was wondering if I'm a allowed to wear the Arrow of Light Knot and when i get my board of review for eagle scout, after all that gets taken care of my eagle scout knot. Reason why i'm asking this is because i thought that only Venture/explorer crews were the only ones to weare there youth emblems till they were 21 and i thought all boy scouts were suppsoe to chnage over when they hit 18. I remember seeing something similar on a web site but i can't find it . A Asistent District Commis. told me thisand i know i remember seeing it somewhere. She said that 18-21 are still considered "youth" so therefore they wear the same "youth" awards. So if you can get me an answer that would be very nice.

 

[Twocubdad 665]

Glad to have you at the campfire, Jimmy. Hope you brought your own camp stool and cup.

 

I think you've got it right, but it depends on how you are registered. Eighteen- to 21-years-olds in Boy Scouts are considered adults. If you are now registered as an adult leader with your troop, you may wear the adult knots. If you are registered as a youth member of a venture crew, go with they youth regs which say the actual AOL badge goes below the left pocket.

 

Good luck on the Eagle BOR.

 

 

(PS -- the pronoun "I" should be capitalized.)

 

(PPS -- take the high road with the ADC and don't rub it in that you were right about the knots.)

[FScouter 24]

Youth are the only persons authorized to wear the Arrow of Light award (below the left pocket) or the Eagle rank emblem (on the left pocket). Adult Scouters may not wear these youth insignia. Registered adults may wear the embroidered square knot if they earned the AOL award or Eagle rank as a youth.

 

An individual over age 18 and under age 21 may be registered as a youth on a Venturing crew. Such an individual is a youth and wears the youth insignia.

 

An individual over age 18 may be registered as an adult Scouter and may hold an adult leader position. Such an individual is an adult and wears the embroidered knots.

[Fat Old Guy 11]

As others have pointed out, if you are over 18 and wearing a khaki shirt, wear the knots.

 

However, I don't believe that Venturers may wear the Arrow of Light award on their Venturing shirt.

[Twocubdad 665]

I wasn't sure about Venturers either, FOG, but the section on Venturing uniforming says to "See the Boy Scout section for guidelines" regarding wearing Boy Scout advancement by Venturers. When you go to that section, the AOL is listed as a Boy Scout advancement insignia and says to wear it under the left pocket. There is some way to recognize the AOL on every other uniform, so it makes sense that Venturers can wear it too.

[Fat Old Guy 11]

However (comma) the Arrow of Light is not a Boy Scout advancement insignia, it is a Cub Scout insignia that is allowed to be worn on the Boy Scout uniform.

[FScouter 24]

Members of a Venturing Crew are still Boy Scouts. They are members of a crew, not a troop, but they are still Boy Scouts. The 18th birthday does not necessarily mean a person is considered an adult. It is the registered position of the individual that determines whether one is "adult" or "youth". A person up to age 21, registered in a Venturing crew, is a youth, and wears youth insignia. Registered adults wear adult insignia.

[LovetoCamp 9]

Our crew chose, in their by-laws, to wear the square knots on their Spruce Green uniform shirts. Eagle, AOL, Silver, Religious. Looks pretty sharp. I wouldn't have minded a bit if a kid wanted to wear his Eagle badge until he turned 21, but the by-law committee has spoken!

[FScouter 24]

Venturing crews may choose to wear the BSA uniform or choose to design their own uniform, or may choose to wear street clothes. But they may not choose to alter the BSA uniform and may not choose to wear adult insignia.

[LovetoCamp 9]

With all the mistakes I'm making trying to get this program to go, I guess it's a good thing that this forum makes me anonymous!

 

William Johansen

Venturing Crew 821

Butte, Montana

[FScouter 24]

I didn't mean to sound harsh and apologize if it came off that way. Its great that your boys are showing leadership and initiative in developing their crew.

[Fat Old Guy 11]

"Members of a Venturing Crew are still Boy Scouts. They are members of a crew, not a troop, but they are still Boy Scouts."

 

Sorry but they aren't Boy Scouts, they are Venturers. Venturing has its own methods and advancement program.

 

TrailPounder, by-laws are all well and good but unit policy cannot contradict BSA policy.

[LovetoCamp 9]

gotcha!

[JimmyD 10]

Thanx guys. I'm not goning "rub" it in the ADC face because she was told by another lady because when the ADC went to get the knots for her 2 kids who turned 18 that other lady told her how there still suppose to still where the Youth Emblems.

 

Speaking of youth stuff another question. REligiousawards as a youth i know you can wear your youth Knoit but can you wear your medals still when you turn 18 to like Blue and Gold, Dinners, COHs, and etc?

[Twocubdad 665]

Technically, you shouldn't wear both a knot and the medal for the same award at the same time. But strictly adhering to that rule would require two uniforms, one with the knots for everyday wear and one without the knots that you wear with the medals for formal occasions. Not many folks are going to that trouble and expense.