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I have been unable to send you the resulting MP3 file in a personal email. I get a message: 24.248.74.35 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 Mailbox unavailable or access denied - Giving up. Please let me know how to send you this file (it is a little over 5 Meg zipped up). Another CD that you may want to purchase is "Songs of the Buckeye Council Camps" which is available at http://www.tuscazoar.org/PROD04.htm. It does not contain Ging Gang Gooli, but it does have lots of other great songs.

I finally found Ging Gang Gooli on the web, but it is in Real Audio (RAM) format rather than an MP3 or WAV. The link is http://www.chsscout.net/rescenter/songs/index.shtml I have converted this to a wav and mp3 file which I will send you in a personal email.

How many Microsoft technicians does it take to change a light bulb? None, Bill Gates just redefines darkness as the standard. Maybe National can learn something by this.

David, Thanks for the info. I didn't make any of the remarks in the quotes I used, I just supplied them to spark some of this conversation. I personally believe that American Indian Lore definately has a place in scouting, I just want to make sure that the boys in our OA lodge do it properly. In fact, I just joined the American Indian Scouting Association, which has an annual meeting between both boy scouts and girl scouts each year, that is hosted by one of the various native nations. Next year the host will be the Comanche Nation. Thanks again for all the posts.

Thanks for all the responses so far - this has been great input. To clarify, yes about 1/32 Cherokee. And I will post results when completed. Thanks again, and keep all input coming as this will be a multi-month project.

Absolutley, and I'm happy to include that perspective, just that my current list of questions doesn't really deal with that much. Here is what I was considering, if you can think of others that are particularily relevant, I'm all ears. 1. Do you prefer to be called Native American or American Indian? 2. Do you feel good or insulted when you see a non-Indian portraying an Indian, even if their intentions are honorable? 3. What is the Significance of War Bonnets and should Boy Scouts be using them? What about imitation Eagle feathers? 4. What things do most Americans do t

I would prefer to interview those who are registered with their respective tribe, so whatever the individual tribal requirements are. I know that for some this amount is minimal (such as the Cherokee who only require 1/16), and others it must be 1/4. I would also prefer to interview those who are active with their tribe, not just someone who happens to be 1/2 Indian but lacks the cultural perspective.

Are there any American Indian Scouters out there willing to be interviewed on this topic for inclusion in my manual? Thanks in advance.

Interesting topic, as this has been a pet peeve of mine since attending a training at Philmont several years ago. Over 3/4 of the adults in attendance were clearly over weight and out of shape! At the time, I had just broken my knee and was unable to walk very far myself, but I was determined not to become another "well-rounded" scouter. I took up cycling, doing several century (100 mile) rides and returned to Philmont a year later with my son to do a trek. Never-the-less, my entire family struggles with weight, so I can empathize with anyone who has a weight problem. But I do agree that

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To answer Bob White, no I do not think that scouts are trying to dishonor Native Americans, but I do think they may be doing unintentionally. wingnut said that it's time that American Indians get over it. The problem is that white America has taken absolutely everything from the Indian - their land, their freedoms, their religions, their languages, and today we are often using their culture without much regard for it. Do you realize that it wasn't until Jimmy Carter became president that Indians won back their right to speak in their own languages and practice their own religions? Our

Makes it sound like there isn't a problem. Is it only sports teams using Indians as mascots that are a problem then? What about these quotes from the stereotype discussion board I mentioned previously? "I have to agree on the fact that the way the Boy Scouts and the Boy Scout program portrays many native american customs, dress, dance regalia, and ceremonial dances is VERY Wrong. I am half Plains Cree from Rocky Boy Montana, and have been a singer and dancer for more than ten years. I was taught traditionally by my father and grandfather and many uncles over the years as to what the p

There is a great discussion forum on scouting's use/abuse of American Indian themes at http://drumhop.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=BSA I encourage anyone interested in this to read through all of the postings there. Most of the discussion revolves around the Order of the Arrow, and how the BSA inaccurately portrays Native Americans, furthering the image of the "Stereotypical Indian". One argument in favor of the BSA using Native American themes is that one of BSA's founders, Ohiyesa (Charles Eastman), was a Santee Sioux that gave scouting much of it's early Indian traditions.

I have personally recorded a version of "Ging Gang Gooli" on my Native American Flute (NAF) that I can make available to you. I also have NAF recordings of: - OA Song - Back to Gilwell - America, America - Johnny Appleseed Grace - Philmont Hymn - On My Honor - Scout Vespers The slower inspirational songs like America, On My Honor, and Vespers sound better on a Native American Flute than Ging Gang Gooli does, but you are welcome to it if you want it.