Dedicated Dad

Quiz

http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/constitution/conqa.html

I'm so happy you are doing this, mom! Good Luck! Hope this helps.

It's quiz time.

http://www.nhccs.org/quiz.htm

http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/local_regional/milf_scouts03082002.htm

MILFORD - Pack 4 Cub Scouts held their annual Blue and Gold Banquet recently at St. Mary of the Assumption Church, its sponsoring organization.

Named for the traditional colors of Cub Scouting, the Blue and Gold Banquet celebrates the achievements of individual Scouts as they continue their trek through scouting, as well as the group achievements of each of the Pack's 14 dens. More than 100 Scouts participated in this year's banquet. Father Michael Foley delivered the benediction.

Central to each Blue and Gold Banquet is the celebration of second-year Webelo Scouts' completion of their Cub Scouting career. Sixteen Scouts attended their final Blue and Gold Banquet and crossed over into Boy Scouts.

Scouts earning the Arrow of Light, the highest award in Cub Scouts, were Shane Bowen, Jeremy Donovan, Michael Kowal, Gabriel Lanciano, Aaron Meyers, Peter Mulrey, Stephen Shaddock, Naman Shah, Thomas Shain, Kevin Shinnick, John Sobierajski, Peter Trettel, John Wentworth, and Bryant Wing.

Founded in 1976, Pack 4's current Cubmaster is Mark S. Gilpin, with Gary Shaddock and David Kirchner serving as assistant Cubmasters. David Cassinelli is the committee chairman.

In the past 13 years that I have worked with the youth staff of a summer camp, never once have I seen any difference in the behavior of kids with piercings versus kids without. Anecdotal evidence to be sure. Now if piercings are OK, eyebrow, nose and tongue included, then painted finger nails, tattoos, purple hair, and womens clothing must be OK should there be no exhibited behavioral problems, right?

There was valuable advice, yours included DD, at the beginning. Its still the same. Dedicated Dad why do you persist in bring up women's undergarments and clothing. Oh my, surely you Paul have the capacity to understand my analogy. Its all about the SMs arbitrary (likely troop) rule concerning appearance, are you with me so far? Sometimes, to demonstrate a point we use the extreme case to test its legitimacy, Bob, NJ and apparently you dont seem to get that point. Bob, like you, misunderstands the reference to a dress refers to cross dressing and not whether Malaysian Scouts wear sarongs or Special Forces wear pantyhose in the water, its about extremes in appearance, get it? Bottom line is that nobody can add to the rank requirements that includes a SM, COR or any other leader. If you are saying that a Scout with long hair is not showing Scout Spirit then perhaps you need to review CHARACTER. No one has added any rules for advancement, I simply asked if there exists troop rules for appearance is it OK to break them because you dont agree with them or should you try to change them? If he is breaking the troop rules is there any consequence for advancement. Perhaps you could answer that or are you going to do yet another drive-by ludicrous analogy? I'll let you have the last word on all this Paul, poke me with a fork, I'm done. BTW, if I couldn't work it out my SM I'd save my head and eyebrows to make my point.

It is NOT the responsibility of the BSA to define what acceptable personal grooming is. This isn't the Armed Forces. Personally, I don't like guys wearing earrings. The problem is that the extremes will always be tested. Nose and eyebrow rings, purple hair and tattoos, painted nails and womens clothing, would your district, local council, or the National Council approve of these extremes? You dont need to be in the armed forces to have rules for appearance.

No rule was adopted here. A SM decided arbitrarily that a boy should not be Eagle because of his hair. Now whos taking facts not in evidence? It would seem youve proven your case using circumstantial evidence, is that your bench ruling using a preponderance of doubt? I will agree, however, that the rule has not been presented as existing or not. Im also not familiar with the rule that rules on appearance only come from the PLC, in fact, I would contend appearance rules more likely would come from the committee and CO rather than the PLC. And how hard would it be for the SM to lobby for such a rule that has a look-back or non-grandfathered clause in it? Not hard at all IMHO. Regardless, I still contend the Scout should work to change the rules or arbitrary whims of his Scoutmaster before he runs to the BSA Libertarian zealots who would do it for him.

We are talking hair length and it would be apreciated if you stuck to the topic. It is about personal appearance nest pas? You contend that painted fingernails, tattoos, purple hair and are permitted, why not womens clothing? You cant answer that can you? You cannot keep this scout from advancing due to hairlength. Any District, Council or National Board of review will over turn you (as they laugh at you) for such a hideous misuse of your responsibilities as an adult leader. You live and die by the regs, where does it say any hair length is permissible? Where? I have to go now. Please feel free to continue your thoughts of undergarments in the privacy of your own home or office. But I don't feel this is the proper bulliten board to post them on. I SEE, when we run short on ideas for debate we start in with ludicrous analogy and dismissiveness. What a shame, I thought you could at least answer one of my questions. Maybe someone else can. Does breaking the rules have no consequences against advancement?

Steps in Advancement

Third, the Scout is reviewed. The purpose of the review is to ensure that all requirements for advancement have been met. This includes a check of the Scout's attitude and practice of the ideals of Scouting, in addition to his Scoutcraft skills. The decision regarding whether a Scout has met the required standards to qualify for rank advancement begins with the troop and, for the Eagle Scout rank, is approved by the district, local council, and finally, the National Council. What are the ideals of Scouting you ask? The oath and law. If being obedient means following the rules (family, school and troop) how does an Eagle candidate meet the required standard of practicing the ideals of Scouting?

I have made it clear I care about the BSA rules, and a troop CANNOT write regs that change or oppose BSA regs. Im not an expert like you but how does a troop rule, If one existed like this one, change or oppose BSA regs? There are no rules against any of the things you mentioned except possible dresses and I have a photo from a World Jamboree that you might be interested in with scouts in sarongs, skirts and dresses. Then lets say just a bra and panties for the extreme argument sake but its OK if you want to defend cross dressing. Why is a dress against the rules if there is no requirement for a uniform? Is it for personal appearance? It is not your job to judge the IMAGE of an Eagle Scout. It is your job to deliver the BSA program not the Dedicated Dad program! I said troop rules not my rules, lets try and stay on point. You cant even answer the question if troop, family or school rules are broken do they have any consequences, PERIOD? Again I ask you to present one BSA resource or regulation that allows you to deny this scout his advancement. Are there any digressions that deny advancement? Obviously a "dress" conflicts with advancement, what else?

Hehehe...The edit function never ever, never, never, never works! Who cares what the troop rule is. You obviously don't!.

What are you talking about? Troop rules. Do they exist or not? If they exist can they be broken without consequence? Can you answer that question?Who cares what the troop rule is. You obviously. I challenge you to find one iota of reference to hair length Find me a reference that says painted fingernails, purple hair, tattoos, nose and eyebrow piercings and wearing dresses is not fitting the image of an Eagle scout? I'm disappointed that you would put your personal predjudices Im disappointed that you would insinuate such a thing, you and jmcquillan have got to stop your conspiracy theories, they are not becoming and unscoutlike! I have maintained though out my posts that he should take care of this situation on his own, nothing more nothing less.

A Scout is Obedient. A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.What are troop rules? Can there be troop rules for personal appearance? If a scout thinks the rules are unfair isnt it his obligation to change them himself and not having an adult intervene for him? Talk about it amongst yourselves, Ill get back to you.

Bob, Im on your side on this one. If you read the other links youd see I asked exactly the same questions. I also asked exactly where in the regs does it say no adult supervision or tour permit is needed for patrol activities? Can you cite the page and book?

DedicatedDad is also perhaps assuming some things about your life that we don't actually know. Perhaps you are Bill Gates' only son and don't have to worry about how you are going to survive in this world. I dont think this is an appropriate message to send our youth, BSA or not. If youre Bill Gates' only son you dont have to worry about how to respectfully take direction from your teachers or if you have enough money you dont have to be obedient to anyone but yourself or you can do what ever you want when ever you want? and as jmcquillan says, it might be appropriate to have an adult intermediary deal with the scoutmaster. To quote Rooster7: we truly believe that BSA is more about building character than campfires and (paraphrased) part of the Scout experience is learning how to deal with adults which arent your parents. I respectfully but ardently disagree with Bob and jmcquillan on this point. Part of ones Eagle experience is learning how to resolve problems on your own, its an essential skill everyone needs for life. Mom and Dad wont necessarily be there when you have a conflict with your college professors or your bosses and even if youre Bill Gates son you still have no leverage over others other than using your own abilities in conflict resolution. Fight your own battles and learn how to make people see it your way, if you cant, you need to choose what is most important to you and do the right thing. Is your hair more important than Eagle? Is your hair worth the hard feelings that will result from forcing your Scoutmaster to bend to your terms. What if your son was left handed and the scoutmaster wanted 6 more left handed scouts, would he be right in requiring it? Im not sure I understand your analogy, if a Scout pierced his nose (extreme case in point) is that seen as equal character to left handedness. Isnt one a choice of behavior and the other innate condition? The ScoutMaster then commented that he bet my son couldn't find him 6 long haired Eagle Scouts. So this is really about winning a bet to prove him wrong and not a requirement as presented in the original post? (I don't have to cut my hair if I find 6 long haired eagle scouts.) Do you really think if you find 6 long haired eagles hed change his opinion that long hair is not consistent with the image of an Eagle Scout, IMHO I dont think he would? Do you think this is the best way to go about changing his mind? Again, if my boss gave me some arbitrary burden to get my raise Im not sure Id want to [show him up] to get the point across that hes wrong.

sorry, and here

"on their own" which means without adult supervision All good points but Im not sure the adult supervision thing has been resolved here or come to a consensus. I agree that the patrol should be able to plan and execute such trips without adults, but then theres the tour permit debate here and here and...

I see no compelling reason to cut your hair, you certainly have the right to complete your Eagle however you want while remaining inside the rules, let the chips fall where they may. I think youre on solid ground here to make this happen on your terms. With that said and assuming you get your way, Id like to ask you what lesson will you take away from this experience, is achieving your goals strictly on your terms the best way to finish? Do you think your Scoutmaster is making an unreasoned request? A subjective merit system is not involved with the Scout program, its pass/fail and for good reason, but what is going to happen when you go farther down the road? College I suspect will be your next task and you will be graded on a more capricious basis, will you be so likely to expect your professors to be as unsubjective as your Scoutmaster? What about for your job or graduate school interviews senior year, will you expect the interviewers to see you for your accomplishments and nothing more? We all have to jump through hoops to achieve certain goals in life, some arbitrary, some not, and I guarantee this little situation will not be the first trivial request you will have to complete to meet your objectives. How will you handle the important requests that are more subjective in determining your future and are not explicitly defined as life changing, how will you know the right way to be tractable as an employee? Further, what has your Scoutmaster given up for you, anything? Time, effort? Is obedient just a word that comes with no burden or ordeal, is the loyalty he gave to you in the form of his time and hard work not worth any durability or tolerance on your part. Not to mention that your hair grows back and yet your actions here will forever remain the product of the decision you made. You have the absolute right to finish your Scouting career in whatever manor you wish, but just because you can doesnt mean its the right thing to do.

Sorry, no luck on the book but I thought this card was interesting.

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State/Regional

http://www.ljworld.com/section/stateregional/story/85137

Scouts honor Cub who saved mother's life

The Associated Press

Monday, March 4, 2002

Like many 9-year-old boys, Conner Shaddix loves dogs, swimming and Playstation football games.

But on Saturday night, about 400 Cub Scouts and their parents gathered to celebrate an act of courage that sets Conner apart from others his age.

Conner saved his mother's life.

Last April, he awoke one morning to the sound of his mother, Charlotte Shaddix, moaning.

His father, Steven, was away on a business trip, so Conner, an only child, went to check on his mother.

Mrs. Shaddix, a diabetic, had an extremely low blood sugar level. She couldn't move or talk, and rescuers later told her she was on the brink of slipping into a coma.

Conner covered her with a blanket. He tried to get her to drink some pop.

He tested her blood sugar level with her glucose monitor. He knew she was having a medical emergency, so he called 911 and directed rescuers to his mother's aid.

Dispatcher Michelle Robinson, who took his call for assistance, helped present the Boy Scouts of America's National Medal of Merit to Conner.

Dad, were you a scout back then? Yes, if you were a scout in the Chicago Area Council, we probably went to the same summer camp up nort in Wisconsin, darned if I cant remember its name. I went to the College of DuPage for Radiologic Technology My moms an alumni of CofD and my grandfather was a radiologist, thats a qwinky dink.

We aren't supposed to discuss sex or sexuality with the boys. While obeying the rules and remaining in the spirit of scouting by not trying to bend the rules, what can we do as scouters to support parents in encouraging the boys to abstain from sexual activity until the appropriate time? Mike, Im not sure how relevant B-Ps writings are to todays policies but these words are from his book Aids to Scoutmastership and they seem fitting to your query.

this subject has led to the moral and physical wreckage of many lives.

This is only too true, and I can testify from a fairly wide experience among soldiers and others. The amount of secret immorality that is now prevalent is very serious indeed. Personally, apart from explaining as a preliminary how plants, and fishes, and animals reproduce their species, I have found it appeal to boys, as it did to me when I first heard it, to tell them how in every boy is growing the germ of another child to come from him. That germ has been handed down to him from father to son from generations back. He has it in trust from God; it is his duty to keep it until he is married and passes it to his wife for reproduction. He cannot honourably forget his charge and throw it away in the meantime. Temptation will come to him in many forms to do so, but he has got to be strong and to guard it.

This is the last requirement for Family Life Merit Badge.

6. Do the following:

a. Discuss with your merit badge counselor how to plan and carry out a family council.

b. After this discussion, plan and carry out a family council to include the following subjects:

1. How to avoid the use of drugs and drug abuse

2. Understand the growing-up process, how the body changes, and making responsible decisions dealing with sex

3. Personal and family finances

It would seem there is some room for this kind of discussion and I think its clear what standard the BSA has for its consideration.

I think they were the guys who always mopped up in Illinois High School Swimming Competition Yep, in 76 we won state in swimming-11 yrs in a row, gymnastics-6yrs in a row, tennis-5 in a row and soccer, plus the girls won tennis and swimming. Six 5A state championships in one year was pretty remarkable, too bad I wasnt on any of those teams. But now that I think about it, did you ever try to find Peabody's tomb? OGE, thank you, you really made me smile! I havent thought about Peabodys tomb in 25 years and yes, I mean no, I mean we looked! We found the Seminarys Cemetery but were too scared to go in very far, playing Elton Johns Funeral for a Friend on the way there didnt help either. Good times!

OGE, I thought you lived in Melrose Park which was in our athletic conference, West Suburban specifically. Hinsdale Central HS here til 76

You don't believe people of different color or race should have equal rights? AGAIN mom, watch youre innuendo, this again is out of line. Just because you put a question mark at the end of a sentence doesnt mean it isnt an accusation.