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1 hour ago, mrjohns2 said:

No. Most cub scouts and even scouts didn’t wear the world crest as they didn’t participate in an international activity. 

Yes, that was my understanding of Scouts in that time.  Wasn't sure your time period.  I didn't join (Cub) until 1990 which I believe was the first or second year that the World Crest was standard part of the uniform and not an award.  Of course it was the first or second year where there weren't "Den Mothers" technically either but that hadn't been fully phased out obviously

So in the early 90's in my Pack we wore the WCA in the Jamboree position.  I see a few Packs around here still wear them there but no one earns it anymore.

It's sad to me to see this (and practically everything) moving to belt loops.  No one looks at the belt loops and it doesn't encourage the Scouts to be like "that's cool I want to do that" above and beyond what's required.

1 hour ago, mrjohns2 said:

When I was a cub, the world crest was o my for international participation. We wore the world conservation award on that side, not the Jamboree side. 

Did you wear it next to or instead of the World Crest? I've seen it in recent years next to as well but I know a while ago it was instead of

Reviving this VERY old topic. I know World Conservation is being retired as the Cub Scouts become the belt loop brigade and patches other than rank and identifier all but disappear. I seem to recall when I was a Cub in the early 90s wearing World Conservation Award in my Pack was in the Jamboree position above the right pocket as it is a World Scouting program. My son just earned WCA as a cub and was considering that position. But as a Pack Committee member I don't want to start getting to fast and loose with extra awards on my son's uniform and set the wrong example but encouraging other scouts to go above and beyond the core requirements is important I feel.

On 2/24/2024 at 10:03 AM, DuctTape said:

The article stated the restriction on fundraising was lifted for a short period of time late 23-early 24, but it doesn't say when these kids were doing their fundraiser and whether it fell within that window. I would think this detail would be relevant. 

I interpreted that as GSUSA backpedaling and pretending that this Unit acted in compliance with their rules when it looked like GSUSA was going to look bad

22 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

Will any of their achievements be on the shirt?  

Or is it all just organizational stuff...??

It's my understanding "New Bobcat" is a belt loop. Just like "New Summertime activity award". I imagine lots of people will still wear the badge/pin for some time. But my scout is going to have to eat more to wear half of these extra belt loops.

Only the four ranks in the diamond (Lion replacing Bobcat there) and organizational stuff will be on the uniform basically. Religious knot and Recruiter being one of the very few other things.

I like the look of the patches and pins on the uniform as it encourages my son to work towards things. The belt loops (and patches and pins you "can't" wear on the uniform) do little to motivate him. With that said he has already earned his Wolf for the year and completed all current and a couple retired adventures and a few awards including the World Conservation Award also being retired into a belt loop or something.

PS there's a lot of debate over can you wear the World Conservation Award on your uniform other than in the temporary patch spot. My Pack growing up (early 90s) always wore them in the Jamboree spot above the right pocket as originally that was an international award. There's a lot of angry debate on that here and elsewhere on the internet. I find that spot to be fitting both in spirit and intent: To recognize an international scouting activity. It is my understanding that there was a time when people replaced the Scout patch with the World Conservation on the left side and a time when you had to do an international project to even wear. Scout patch is my understanding so we've definitely changed a LOT

I know this conversation is long since dead but my Cub Scout recently earned and I was surprised to see the "temporary location" as the spot online. I was a Cub in the early 90's and many in my Pack earned it and all wore it in the Jamboree position above the right pocket.

1 hour ago, AwakeEnergyScouter said:

Been telling my scouts that exact thing in the context of the Internal Spirit Award... You can tell it's a scout shirt because it's a Western shirt with two front button pockets and a bunch of badges worn with a necker, even if you don't recognize from what country it's from. Without the badges... Fails scout shirt sniff test

And now with the "New Bobcat" you're going to literally have a lot of kids with nothing on the shirt effectively.  A couple things on the sleeve

3 minutes ago, AwakeEnergyScouter said:

That's how scout shirts are meant to be! 

They're also supposed to have badges on them but now it's all belt loops

We use some hand me down books in our Pack so my son's Wolf group has been working on Motor Away (retired) unintentionally, our Den Leader is not a big Scoutbook user and we also completed another one.  I think with the big changes this year (especially to Weeblos and AOL) we're going to see a lot of people working on retired ones.

With that said.  I was thinking (for fun) of working on some of the old sports ones from the 90s as I found the original checklist (and have the beltloop and pin because well, they were mine)

How do people feel about working on very retired ones (for fun) obviously if they are still safe and such?

I want to echo what several people have said about Bobcat being a badge and an important first badge for scouts to learn the core of scouts and to receive something.

Maybe its just me and my appreciation of eclectic uniforms but I never loved the belt loops.  When I was a youth in the early 90's they were all sports so it kinda didn't matter?  At least my Den's were mostly sports.  Now they're the advancement which I think at the core is decent along with the electives though I think the Webelo pins are better as many kids (mine most of the time) don't wear the belt and as many said girls tend not to especially.

I think identical badge free (or one badge per year) uniforms are a bit plain and don't really exhibit scouts who go above and beyond earing awards from those who just check a few boxes and advance when they age up

We also used to do badge vests which my son's pack does not but I'm trying to bring back, again as a way for scouts who do more to see that visually

In a world where so much instant gratification online with "Achievements" and such encouraging Scouts to do extra is likely a great way to keep them engaged and keep them in the program

A lot of the updates from what I have read seem like good changes but some definitely seem a sterile

I was an AOL and eventually a Tenderfoot who then chose hockey on weekends over camping.  My 7 yr old working on Wolf seems to be choosing the opposite so I have been helping with his Pack and am starting as Treasurer.

Our community (Youngstown, NY) seems to be newer to Cub Scouts but has a growing Pack, it is also a community with a big Junior Sailing program (my son also does) so I made the mistake (LOL) of starting a Raingutter Regatta this summer as I really enjoyed those in my youth.

I've been reading this forum for a little bit but finally decided to join.  I greatly enjoy reading some of the conversations about more obscure knots or patches or just things done very different than when I was a kid