ItsBrian

1 minute ago, CherokeeScouter said:

I'm kinda with the other posters  on this. It sounds like they are creating an extra step and it drives me insane when adults do this. But congratulations. You are about to reach the next step of your journey and I hope it doesn't stop there. 

What's really interesting, btw, is that none of that Project stuff goes to National. They never even see it. Unless our Council here in Central Florida different, the only thing that goes to National after your EBOR is the two-page application and the personal statement. All of that Eagle project workbook stuff should go back to you after your EBOR unless someone at council or on your EBOR wants to keep a copy. 

AND you will most likely get that original application back. I guess National must scan it or something and return it to your council. 

Thet scanned everything from my proposal to even my life statement. I was told that it was sent to national, not if that’s is correct though.

Even though it may seem like an unnecessary step, it was pretty helpful for me.

6 minutes ago, CherokeeScouter said:

Council or District does not approve project after it's done. Only troop and beneficiary. No space for Council signature except on the proposal. 

 

I didn’t say they approved project? When I said they approved my workbook, it meant I had everything that I should have plus the paperwork that I need. My district runs it where you bring all your paperwork during the second phase and they will order it the way it goes before you bring it to council. Once council gets it they scan all the papers and sign the eagle application. That’s when your workbook is approved according to my council. That’s at least what was in the title of the email 😀. It read “Approved Eagle Candidate Project Workbook”

2 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

From the CSE Letter - Note the term "collaborating".  The BSA (i.e. National Office) will be very involved

The BSA, the Institute for Research on Youth Thriving and Evaluation (RYTE) at Montclair State University, and the American Institutes for Research are collaborating to conduct the study.

I just copied and pasted what I said from the FAQ on their website:

3 hours ago, Eagledad said:

I assure you that National is quite involved because they are the main beneficiaries of the study results. The research professionals have the credentials and expertise to design and manage the study.  I expect Montclair will produce some publications from the study as well. 

Barry

“How is the BSA national office involved?
The national office is providing input on the study, but the study is being conducted by external, independent researchers at MSU and AIR.”

3 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

 

Since it is a survey by BSA National Office, can they save time by going ahead and publishing the results now?  Would save a lot of time and money to go ahead and tell the minions in the trenches what they want us to know.

Your example of the First Class First Year is spot on.  The real challenge is that it is NOT rocket science to keep Scouts active.  But to justify the headquarters jobs and spend the money, they've got to do something that appears helpful.  The secret??  Have a FUN program.  Go camping, Go outside, Go do stuff.  Now the problem is how to get that implemented at every troop, many troops take themselves waaay to seriously, 75 page troop manuals, and basically make Scouting just more school.

Scouts show up looking for fun, fire, and knives.  They get cyber chip, comparing the cost of items at three locations, and having to explain utilities to their house.  Not bad stuff, but not exactly fun, fire, and knives.

From what I’ve briefly read and heard by my SM, this is done mostly without national involved. It’s done by Montclair university and a research firm. 

I didn’t mind it at all. It took only around 30 minutes in all. Since I somehow did lose my copy of the proposal, this was the time where it was easily corrected since they had a copy. 

If I did not have the second phase I would’ve been lost trying to figure out what I could do and it would’ve been stressful. Instead, I sat one on one with a scouter and he walked me step by step on what I had to do. It ranged from putting the papers in the correct order to a little piece I forgot to include.

This was not a waste of my time or an in convenience at all.

5 hours ago, shortridge said:

This sounds like an internal review of training and other programs. I’m not sure what non-Scout people would contribute.

I believe it is exactly along those lines. The website I provided gives more information. 

10 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

 

To be clear, there is no Post Project / Pre-EBOR required of the District or Council

There is Unit and District approval of the project proposal.  There is no requirement that the district review be a board or that the approval be a meeting.  Just that there is a review by the district advancement team or their designee.  There is not a specific requirement for a Post Project / Pre-EBOR.  Only that the Scout, Beneficiary, and Unit Leader sign that the work was completed.

The Eagle application and project process is covered in detail in Section 9 in the Guide to Advancement.  All the ins and outs are covered, runs about 11 pages.

Our district requires it. It’s to make sure you have all your paperwork in order before going to council get their signatures before EBOR. This could be done at a troop level and the district knows.

I should’ve clarified that my district did it in my previous post, my bad.

16 minutes ago, ValleyBoy said:

In the Eagle process there a 3 different times that the scout has to go for a review.

First.  For approval of the Eagle Project.

Second  Review of the Eagle Project

Third   Eagle Board of Review.

 

On every Eagle Board of Review that I have been a member off when have done the second and third one at the same time.  In some Councils their procedure could be that each of the 3 above is done at a separate time or it could have been in Brian's case that he had completed his project and the second review was held  then the third and final board was held later after he completed other requirements for Eagle..

Example.  One month into being a Life Scout Eagle Project is approved.  4 months as a Life Scout Eagle project is completed and presented for approval.  2 months later Eagle Board of Review.

Actually, the second phase is called “Post Project/Pre-EBOR” or something along those lines.

It is to make sure you have EVERYTHING (emphasized) before you can go to council and have your EBOR. It’s more of a preparing to make sure everything in order. I heard they may change it to where it could be done at a troop level. Not sure yet.

59 minutes ago, reeddma said:

It took almost two months for your District/Council to review your Eagle binder prior to scheduling the Board???  Very sad what we still put Scouts through to get to Eagle. 

And if this was simply the Eagle Project Workbook, they don't approve it after you've completed the project.  There is no spot for their signature except for approving the project proposal.   

I’ve been a little busy since I got a part time job a few months ago. I do so many leadership events, volunteering, etc. to the point where even my parents couldn’t find time to drop it off at the council center which is 40 mins away from my house

My council makes you take it to their main building to have it scanned and get the final signature for the eagle application. 

She approved and scanned it in a day, it was slow on my part.

Update: Council approved my workbook and it is now time to schedule my EBOR.

Again, thanks to everyone who gave me advice on here.

Just now, qwazse said:

Not to my knowledge. Typically, to control costs, these intensive surveys rely on random sampling. So it's likely yours is that one in a hundred troop.

I believe the website said it’s inviting 2,500 troops.

https://bsabeststudy.org/

I’m a little biased as a summer camp instructor for first year Scouts. But, I highly suggest to attend the summer camp’s first year program that usually are able to do a lot of requirements that can give a base knowledge to scouts. At the summer camp I staffed (hopefully again this summer), they spent the whole day with a instructor doing requirements and did one period doing a merit badge. 

I honestly wish I did a first year scout program at a summer camp when I crossed over.

My troop has always made it a rule where the leaders can not sign off on their scout’s book. It honestly works the best since nobody can try to start trouble about someone earning a rank faster than their son.

Just now, Jameson76 said:

The district / council approval person likely has a copy.  Contact them for a "refresh"

I have not heard of the post project + pre BOR meeting.   Our troop has 8 - 10 Eagles annually.  The final check is performed during the SM conference.  If the Scout wants a review then the Life to Eagle coordinator sets up a quick meeting.

I always kept a digital copy of the proposal and I printed another one out, but I do not have a signed one anymore. Yeah my district has 3 meetings. First is the proposal (pre-project). Second is the post project and pre EBOR. Third is the EBOR.

Just now, NealOnWheels said:

Can you explain what happened to all the signers and have them sign a new copy?

Not sure what a pre BOR is.

In my district they call it a post project + pre BOR meeting, where they make sure you’re ready for your BOR.

I could easily get them to sign it again, but what about the council signature?

I honestly think I misplaced my signed proposal workbook that my district wants me to bring to the Pre EBOR. I still have a copy of the proposal, but it is not signed.

I have EVERYTHING besides that. I even have every single receipt for the materials I bought.

If anyone has any tips on how I should handle this, please let me know.

7 minutes ago, walk in the woods said:

Ah, in that case, at least in my district, the workbook would go back with the Scout.

I’m asking since I’m confused why I have everything besides the signed proposal. I asked my other friends and they think it was collected but not sure.

2 minutes ago, walk in the woods said:

Brian,

Are you asking pre- or post- EBOR?  For my District, the signed workbook and application are collected and turned into the Council Scout Office (with the letters of recommendation, etc.).  From there they make their way to the District Advancement Team and then to the EBOR.  After the EBOR I think the Eagle App went with the District folks and the project stuff was returned to the Scout.  It's been a few years since I've been through the process though.

 

Sorry I forgot to mention, the first meeting with the district where they sign / approve the proposal workbook.

I honestly can't remember if they collected mine or not, I kept everything in two folders and I don't see it. I think I remember them collecting it but I dont remember.

Finally finished all the paperwork and meeting tomorrow with the district.

Any tips or common errors that any of you see in the workbook?

22 minutes ago, WisconsinMomma said:

It is the right of the citizen to decide whether to vaccinate their children or not. 

In Scouting, this is going to be the decision of the camp owners (presumably the council) so most of us are not involved in these decisions anyway.  Also, I'm sure there are laws related to how these issues should and should not be handled.

When we want to encourage participation in Scouting, it is not a great idea to take on a controversial issue such as vaxing or not vaxing.  Why open the can of worms?  Parents can and should decide their preferences.  Why make it even harder for people to enjoy camp, when there have been no instances of issues at Scout camps? (that I know of, have there been?)  Why operate on fear? 

Are there nurses at camp?  I am sure there are health officers, but the ABC forms are what we use. 

Some camps employ EMTs or paramedics as the health officer. More common for a EMT at day camps. Nurses such as RNs or LPNs are at resident camps.

If attending summer camp for the first time, a Scout is usually in the first year program. It’s common to do totin chip in this program. I worked in a first year program this year. It’s impossible to spend a whole entire day in totin chip, meaning that everybody may not be able to spend a lot of time using all the tools. It also depends how many scouts are there that week. 

If a scout earns their totin chip from summer camp, I suggest you go into more detail and test their skills yourself.

You can earn a totin chip anytime outside of summer camp, and usually is done by a older scout and/or adult.

This is not exactly related to the topic, but hopefully I’ve helped you a little.