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jgood - Contact councils. That rule is out the window. Call where you want to work and let them know you are interested. "The list" will do nothing for you. Someone may have told you not to contact councils, but it just isn't the case anymore. Trust me on this one.

This is an interesting thread that I thought I would try to post a definitive post to try and explain. The titles and duties can be confusing, especially in the middle ranks. I will try to post them from top to bottom in order of rank. Scout Executive - CEO of the Council and Secretary to the Board every council except one has this position ----------- Senior Management (most of these positions should be considered equal with the DFS being most equal) Director of Field Services - COO, leads all field staff (District Executives, District Directors and Field Directors) and where

I will agree, we have had our share of unethical professionals in this movement. Unfortunately it is a problem in almost every profession. My experience however is that the vast majority of professionals are in the movement for the right reasons. They deeply care about the program and often are products of it. And even good, deeply committed people make mistakes in judgement from time to time. I too have met professionals that have left because they didn't care for what they were asked to do. Most not because they thought it was unethical, but because they really didn't understand th

Abel - Bylaws are hardly secret documents. In most states they have to be filed with the Secretary of State and are a public document. I'm not going to say that most councils distribute them weekly, but they are out there if you have an interest. And yes, By-laws do supercede EVERYTHING except the Articles of Incorporation. They are the rules that govern the corporation. Other documents my talk about best methods or how things operate day to day, but the by-laws are the governing document.

I encourage you to check your council by-laws carefully. District elections are allowed to exist at the pleasure of the Council President. No one is eligible for election to the District Committee without approval of the Council President. Yes, Districts have elections, but the Council President has the power to remove or disallow their inclusion on the ballot at any moment for any reason...

Here is the issue to asking somebody to talk the talk and walk the walk: What does that mean. The Scout Oath and Law are a set of standards to try and live your life by every day. We know that NO person is ALL of those things ALL of the time. So what do we put the weight on and how do we measure success? We promise to keep ourselves physically fit. Does that mean that if one is overweight, he/she should not be considered for the job? What if it is the other way and they are stick that can support their own weight? Morally straight. That is defined by many in many different ways

The Council President owes nobody an explanation. The District Chair serves at the pleasure of the Council President. Period. Let's keep in mind that the District Executive or the Scout Executive did not remove this Chair. The Council President, who is a volunteer, did. So why all the discussion about the Pros?

You all really don't know what you are talking about. You are falling into the same trap that many outsiders do when our constitutional issues are reported in the news. You need to understand how the compensation is reported as required by the IRS. Did Roy Williams make $580,000 in his last year? Yes. That includes all of his bonus etc for the final year. I believe his typical salary was about $400,000 a year normally. Did he make $1.5 Million? NO! That is the total value of his deferred compensation (retirement) if he lives to the average actuaral table age. Take $1.5 Mill

One clarification: Revocation of Membership is forever. You are afforded an appeal to the Region and an appeal to National. If the decision is not overturned at one of those appeals (usually within 6 months of the orginal decision), your name is added to "the list". Rarely if ever does someone come off of that list.

Well, It looks like we are going to get the best of both worlds. Here is how this story is shaking our now: 1. The City of Federal Way has offered $3 million for Camp Kilworth. 2. The Camp will become a public park and open space. 3. The Council purchased useage of the facilities for as long as the land remains a public park as a part of the sales agreement. 4. The Camp will be improved and maintained by the City of Federal Way. 5. The Council gets capital to improve its other properties. All in all a Win-Win solution.

Concerned Scouter - You show you ingnorance on several counts: 1. Thunderbird is not designed nor is it equipted as a Cub Scout Resident Camp. It is simply a Boy Scout Camp that also hosts Cub Scout events. That is a fundamental difference. 2. The PHC to my knowledge has less staff than it has since the merger. As I understand, there are four or five vanancies on the staff. 3. I have no knowledge about personnel issues, perhaps you know of firings, I do not. 4. Where did you hear that the Kilworth family was somehow getting paid off? Perhaps you have more in

Concerned_Scout has not given the full story on this sale. I have been following this quite diligently and am aware of some of the details involved. The Pacific Harbors Council was merged in the early 1990's from three previous councils: Mt. Rainier Council (Tacoma,WA); Tumwater Area Council (Olympia,WA) and Twin Harbors Council (Aberdeen,WA). These Councils merged because they were all having their difficulties staying financially viable. When the councils merged they kept all the assets of the previous three councils. Until just recently, they operated three service centers, they ha

I am very familiar with Medicine Mountain Scout Ranch. It is a campground, nothing more. If you are looking for an inexpensive place to camp for a week while you tour the Black Hills it is your place. If you are looking for a high quality summer camp program, then keep looking. The camp in Eastern South Dakota (Lewis & Clark) has an incredible program, it just doesn't have the Black Hills.