Bolo

Great advice, Knot Head!

I am an Assistant Scoutmaster, female, and have been on two recent Philmont treks ('08 and '09). The BEST advice for any crew is to shakedown, shakedown, shakedown - at least three, ! It's here you learn what works and what doesn't. Best advice for Venture females: get comfortable p**ing in the woods. And bearbag everything that's smellable; mini-bears can be more destructable than the regular ones! You're going to have a blast!

Thanks all, for reminding me that "it's not all about the requirements." I need to get back in the "fun" mode of Cub Scouting and it's difficult to do when I've got 6 Life Scouts in my troop bearing down on Eagle projects! I'm sure these Cubs can get through their books in 5 months and will suggest that. I also want to suggest a Spring recruitment which may help, although our Council historically only recruits in the Fall. I'm the Dist Training Chair, not a DE, so may need to go there for approval. Any suggestions from your collective minds about conducting recruitment in the Spring?

 

-Bolo

Has anyone had experience in starting up a Pack in January? Seems like, unless they met through the summer, they'd only have 5 months to complete their requirements. The Pack is small; only have Tiger and Wolf dens.

My son joined a new Explorer Post last month and the DE has told them that Explorers will be back as part of the BSA beginning in January.

Our Council recently held a Camporee where the troops invited Webelos. Everyone camped out for 2 nights.

Not to get off-topic here, but maybe Webelos Leaders could respond. At this recent Camporee, an Assistant Scoutmaster told me he was "having difficulty with some Webelos parents." Apparently they told this ASM that after their sons cross over, they "will not let their sons go camping with the Boy Scouts unless they (the parents)go." I told him, "great, let the parents camp and maybe you can get them to sign up as leaders." This ASM wants to try and discourage the parents from going OR make them sign up as leaders, before he lets the boys camp, which btw, he cannot do.

As as Webelos leader and/or parent, what might be your fear and apprehension with regards to the New Scouts who recently crossed over, camping with the Boy Scouts?

 

Thanks for any input.

Bolo

 

 

 

I wear my uniform to EVERY scouting event.

Last year at our District Banquet, I decided to wear, uhummm,

a rather short dress.

A parent came up to me and said,

"Oh, you have legs!"

Congratulations on your new position!

All of the above posts have great suggestions!

If you are not familiar with "Program Helps", use that as a guide as to how your pack meeting should be run. It will get you started and provide structure and continuity to the program. That got me started. We didn't follow the monthly themes religiously, but the book helped me organize the meeting.

Pack meetings should be held once a month, regardless. If you start changing the dates, parents will forget. Same day of the month, same time.

And yes, you (and the boys) should have FUN at the pack meeting. Get down on their level; involve them (songs, skits, run-ons, jokes, etc) and thank, thank, thank, the den leaders and parents. Admitedly, it's hard for grown-ups to act like kids. I'm in my second childhood, so I don't have that problem! The only serious part of my pack meetings were the rank advancement ceremonies. These should memorable events for the boys and fairly solemn, IMO.

Recruit parents for jobs/tasks by asking them directly to do one small thing as opposed to 'chairing" a committee, being a DL, etc., until you find out what their talents are and what they like to do, or are good at doing.

Go to Roundtable...you'll get lots of ideas here and meet other CMs who will be more than willing to share ideas.

Finally, get as much training as you can. 10 years later and I'm still learning.

Good luck!

-Bolo

Cell phones at camp??? Nooooowayyyyyyy!

One camp we attended actually had a tv/vcr in the health lodge available to homesick scouts for a few hours. This did seem to help one of ours who feigned sickness to go home.

Parents' night (Wed) has been the hardest. I actually have met parents in the parking lot and told them, "Don't take him home, no matter what he says to you." This is always hard for the parents, but we've never had a scout go home on Wednesday. Homesickness disappears when boys 1) don't call home, 2) are kept busy, clean, etc and 3) recognized, praised for their accomplishments and all of the suggestions above.

Good Luck!

I find the words to most of these songs rude (A Scout is cheerful), crude (A Scout is kind) and impolite (A Scout is friendly).

When Scouters attend meetings, training, etc., and there are always announcements at our meetings, do we start singing? No. Why should we encourage the boys to do this? I find, not only in Scouting, but in my workplace, that most announcements are valuable; leaders should just be encouraged to not let them drag on. Better yet, have someone drag them off the stage with a walking cane.

-bolo

I have been asked to teach a class at our next Univ of Scouting training day. The subject (and I didn't make this up!) is,

"And the uniform costs how much?

Seems like the answer to this would be,"ask National, or production has gone up, etc." However I thought a more in-depth approach would be to discuss the history of the uniform and the importance of wearing it.

I just came across Mike Walton's 'unofficial'BSA uniform site and looks like there is a wealth of information there, and I'll review some of last month's posts. I've been off line for a while.

Any ideas from you folks on how to make this class interesting, given the topic?

 

Thanks to all of you enlightened ones, and Happy New Year!

Bolo

 

 

Props for TG presentations? Hadn't thought of that!

Yeah, I'd be interested too.

 

Bolo

'I used to be a fox...."

I participated in the Wood Badge course when I was a Cubmaster (after 3 years of being a den leader), and prior to signing up, I thought maybe it was "too early" for me. Boy was I WRONG!!! Do it! You won't be sorry and down the road you might even want to be on WB staff!

Ditto all the above comments -- Most fun you'll ever have!

Bolo

 

 

DL knot

CM knot

DAM knot

Lodge flap

WB beads (looking forward to receiving a third

bead next year!)

and... a Trained strip

on all uniform shirts.

 

I'm not surprised all of this "bad press" is spewing out of the liberal media.

 

-B

Interesting, (a bit lengthy) journal from LTC Mike Walton of his Day on the Hill...(Tuesday, 07/26)

 

Hey Scouters!

 

Today was a very busy day for me, in more ways than one. It seems that some guy named Murphy was following me around most of the day today too.

 

I woke up this morning, thinking that I had two hours before I was to be at my post in the Media Reception tent on the Jamboree grounds; turned out that instead,

I had about 20 minutes to get to the post from the "Jamboree truck stop" where I was resting (and where I am posting from this morning). I didn't make it on time.

Little did I know that there was a nearly all-night powwow session to determine what would the message be today to the press, who would deliver it, and what about

press and visitors today. And how will we honor those who have died.

 

When I arrived, I was greeted by a row of sat trucks, cars with logos on them (some I don't like) and reporters and "talking heads" all lined up slanted so that their

cameras can focus on the "Fort AP Hill" signage across the four-laned highway and catacornered from their "watch positions." It was clear to me that some of them

have been there since 4 or 5 am this morning. As I made my way into the Jamboree "egg", I heard several accounts on the radio of what happened yesterday.

 

This morning at 10 am (actually it was closer to 11am with some technical delays), both the BSA's national spokesman Gregg Shields and the Jamboree Task Force

public affairs officer Major Vince Mitchell addressed some 60 or so press agencies all corralled into the Hometown News press tent. Yesterday, Gregg pointedly told

me that the Gatorade in the coolers were for the "staff there and not for you and your army buddies. We paid for those drinks..." to which I apologized and offered to

pay them for the drinks we were given and told we could have. This morning, I saw the other side of Gregg Shields as he visiably broke down in trying to explain the BSA's

strongest condolences for the deaths which occured yesterday evening. It wasn't practiced...Gregg had to stop twice before he could regain enough composure to continue

his prepared statement -- one which he, Mitchell, and several other BSA and military folk were preparing overnight.

 

By the time Major Mitchell reached the podium, most of the reporters have already captured what the "story of the day" is going to be: the loss of "Scouting leaders" (when

did we change what we call adult volunteers? To me, those men are Scouters!) and the BSA's plans for this day.

 

First, no visitors. None. Those here will be asked to leave and those who do not leave then, will be escorted off the premises. Let the Scouts grieve, reflect and encourage

each other this day.

 

Second, a safety stand-down will be performed on the military side. No significant operations, but rather a specific review of what safety precautions are to be taken and how

can we make those precautions better.

 

Next, a statement saying that a part of the Opening show will feature a memorial to those four Scouters and that the President of the United States of America is still scheduled to attend.

 

Finally, a listing of the Scouters who were killed, along with those injured. At that point, I thought that Gregg should have stopped and I attempted to signal his "point man"

(that's the guy or gal who gives the briefer first the "last question" warning and then whisks him or her off stage before another question can be posed...) of that fact but he

wasn't looking at me when I was giving the "high sign" and Eric was looking at me when I was scanning the audience. Finally, we got our signals coordinated, he gave the

word to Gregg for "one more question please" which turned into two questions, and finally, he left the stage.

 

The Public Affairs Operations Center (PAOC, a public affairs "battalion headquarters") personnel got the reporters and videographers back onto the buses, out the gates, and

off the reservation. But still...reporters hung around, for they were not given the direct answers -- those "bites" -- of the "story of the day."

 

Staff members of American Scouting Digest (http://www.americanscoutingdigest.com) came to the Jamboree today. We took a group photo and then Gregg asked me through

one of the youth staff members working at the media relations area to "please escort them off the base". While I apologized to Rob Miller and Jaime Rodriguez for what I had

to do, I know that they understood that I am doing my job and that the BSA does take the lead in such things...it is THEIR National Scout Jamboree.

 

So we found a Chinese resturant and had lunch. I also received some trading material (patches) and some extra issues of ASD to hand out along with some subscription information.

It was funny -- Jaime should have taken a photo -- of both Rob and I looking for photos taken of ourselves in the latest issue and showing each other at the same time!!! *smiling*

 

We then went to visit one of my old friends -- Chris Jensen and his family, doing business as Streamwood. ( I had to leave the truck stop...they had a fire alarm to go off!)

Chris and I have been trading and I have been purchasing Scouting items from him and his family since the middle 90s but this was the first time we met face to face. The last two

Jamborees, he was off either at some other place or he was taking a break. When we arrived, a TV crew from Charottesville was interviewing Chris and you can swear that he was

an experienced pro at answering those questions (maybe it was the fact that he has been answering the same questions for several TV stations before we arrived!). Streamwood

put up their display and merchandise wares on the grass in front of a hotel close to the main entrance of the Fort. They have been doing some strong business from that location.

 

I owe Streamwood $10 for a widegame patch I have been looking for.

 

Eventually, I'll go back to him and pick up some special merit badges for presentation here and back home (and perhaps to my honies -- she's been asking "where's my merit badge"

for doing things for me....) before they pack up on Friday.

 

I went to the Public Affairs Office and delivered the first of my several military and Scouting stories along with some photos.

 

The rest of the afternoon...well...let me first explain that the van I am using - a 1992 Chrysler Town and Country - is just that. It is mechanically in good shape, but there's signs

that it's an old beat up minivan. It is my office and sleeping space while I am on the road to, during and from the Jamboree. It holds all of my "stuff" and where I sit and work on various

projects until the heat gets too bad and the AC can't keep up.

 

It doesn't smell like stale cigarettes any more, thanks to many of you and your suggestions. Thank you -- a lot of them really worked!!

 

Leaving the small Shoppette with a load of water and tea, some teeshirts and a hat, I opened the door and the sliding door slid....right off the track of the van and almost into the street!!

So, being really mad, I took my hat off and started to attempt to fix the door back onto its track. I was getting nowhere fast. Two Scouts walked by and offered to help, but I turned them

down thinking that "if I can't get it on here, I know that they couldn't do it."

 

"Sir, excuse me." The guy was wearing a MP brassard and glasses. "Sir, I know you're trying to fix your car, but I've got some impressionable Soldiers here and...." he was looking at

my sweating, wet hat-less head. I caught the clue. I apologized, found my hat on top of the van, and placed it back onto my head.

 

"Look sir, instead of you fighting this...drive your van down over to that second building over there, go inside and tell them that the "skinny white boy" told you to ask them to put your door

back on...they'll hook you right up, sir!" He smiled at me. That Master Sergeant will never know that I was three points from sitting in tears and sweat before he smiled and offered to help

me.

 

"Thank you, Sergeant!" I meant it, as I got the door affixed so that it would not fall off with too little effort, and turned the van around and drove it to the motor pool.

 

There, three mechanics attempted to put the fool door back onto the van...when they failed, they put the door back on the van so that I could drive it to a repair shop. Now, I just need repair

shop money!!

 

My Scouting highlight for today comes from my experiences in the Shoppette. The Shoppette is like a 7-11 or Stop and Save without the gas pumps in the front. Mostly junkfoods and mostly

high energy stuff and cold soft drinks are found in there. As I was walking around, two Scouts were talking about the Shuttle liftoff today. One was older than the other, but both were in

their 16 or 17s...

 

"You thnk they'll get it back down to earth in one piece?" one asked the other.

 

"You gotta have faith, Henry." the other Scout stated.

 

Faith is what brings up to doing things like the Jamboree. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of money. But you have to have some degree of personal faith to get you to hand over the cash, to get here,

and to participate as far as you can and are willing to do so. There's a lot of Scouts here who are thinking "is this all worth the money I spent to get here?" They'll find out during the day

tomorrow (today, Wednesday) that they placed their faith in the right lane.

 

Meanwhile, I will see what my faith will get me as I deal with the door and other issues back home (I haven't received my paycheck from the last two times I performed military duties...)

 

Stay Safe and Cool (and yes, I have been drinking water and juices all day today....)

 

Settummanque!

 

--

LTC Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)

http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/jamboree

On the Road between Minnesota and "The Hill"

 

 

 

 

Account created to aid families

 

 

Anchorage Daily News

 

(Published: July 26, 2005)

 

An Alaska credit union has set up an account to help the families of the four Scout leaders killed Monday at the Boy Scout Jamboree. Donations to the Scout Memorial Fund, account No. 80487, can be made at any Denali Alaskan Federal Credit Union branch, which are located in Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau and Wasilla. Donations can be designated for any of the individual men, Ron Bitzer, Michael Lacroix, Michael Shibe and Scott Powell, or a general donation may be made to the fund that will be divided among their families.

 

In Anchorage, branches are located at 440 E. 36th Ave., 3400 LaTouche St., 1725 Abbott Road (inside Carrs), 632 W. Sixth Ave., Suite 100 (City Hall), 320 W. First Ave., 1501 E. Huffman Road (Carrs mall), and 3020 Minnesota Drive.

 

Donations earmarked for the Boy Scout account, also can be mailed to Denali Alaskan Federal Credit Union at 3400 LaTouche St., Anchorage, AK 99508. The credit union can be reached by phone at 907-257-7200 or 1-800-764-1123.

 

 

 

Copyright 2005 The Anchorage Daily News (www.adn.com)

Thanks, Morainemom, for your quick reply.

I have a 13 yr old there, and we haven't heard from him since the accident. Meanwhile, I'm searching Scouts-L and Scouter for any and all info.

If the mood is understandably somber, I hope the Jambo leaders can turn this unfortunate event around and create an event full of wonderful memories. It would sadden me if it was only remembered as, "the one where the people died."

I can only imagine what the Alaskan scouts are going through and wish there was some way we could reach out to them.

Please keep posting any reports from your son.

Thanks.

-Bolo

ASM,South Carolina (5 boys from my troop @ Jambo.)

Yes, we teach our boys to "look overhead first for something that might fall on you," as in a tree limb, etc. My guess, and this is merely a guess, is that perhaps they tried to squeeze in a circus tent in an area they thought would be large enough, or maybe they were all inside trying to erect the tent and didn't realize the center pole extended as far as it did.

I hope they find a subcamp for those scouts, if they are staying, to integrate them back into the event and not keep them in barracks for the duration.

I know our SMs have not yet told our boys about the deaths (they are on the opposite side of subcamp 7), however I'm sure word will quickly spread. Anyone have any thoughts on the mood/morale of the camp as a whole as they continue on?

Also has a website been set up for condolences to the families.

Does the troop have a website of its own?

 

-B

Brian,

Google "Nasa Jamboree patch" for a picture.

You might also email Nasa's Space Store

www.manager@thespacestore.com or call them at 281-333-4030 for info on how to obtain the patch.

It's cool.

 

 

Thanks, Eamonn!

 

I always trust your advice!

 

Our troop is going to two summer camps this year, plus Jambo and a few went to Philmont!

Think we're taking on too much, hah, hah. With all that, our family managed to squeeze in a week in Florida for vacation.

While I'm not going to APHill, I'd really love for my son to meet you. What subcamp are you in?

Many thanks for the knowledge, humor and common sense you impart on these scouter threads!

 

-B

My son has all his Jambo 'stuff' and is ready to go! Unfortunately he decided he wanted a Jambo belt & buckle AFTER the June 17th cutoff for online ordering.

Well, I told him, he'll just have to get it at the Trading Post however the BSA distribution center tells me they sell out quick. Should I tell him to be the first in line? When will the TP be open and how soon do you think they will "sell out of the belts?"

 

Thanks.

Bolo

May God bless and keep safe all the fine young men and women who bravely continue to protect our freedoms and liberties.

My husband and I are both ASMs and we always sleep in separate tents...

he snores and I don't like earplugs.

Thanks to the super suggestions and websites suggested by EagleInKY, our troop had a fun, successful JLT this weekend. We actually planned to use the video, however, due to 'adult' miscommunication, it was not packed. After traveling through a blinding thunderstorm Friday night to get to our campsite, arriving after dark, setting up tents in the rain, realizing we did not have the video did not make me, the trainer, a happy camper. We really had no "plan B" so I was determined to conduct the training over the weekend.

After much improvisation and reliance on the many leadership courses I had attended and the one JLT conducted with the video and ALL the info retrieved from the knowledgeable ones on this site, we forged ahead and had a great weekend. The boys had a blast with the new games and I was so proud of my younger scouts...they actually pulled together better than the older ones, some of whom are really into being teenagers. Now, if I can just get all of them to understand that the "Big Boss" leadership style is not one they should personally adopt!

Lesson learned: If you're burned out on the video, create your own JLT. It's fun!

Lesson learned: If you think there's a possibility you might not do the potato game, don't buy the potatoes. They're on our dinner menu for the next 2 weeks!

 

THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS THREAD AND MADE MY JOB EASIER!

 

Does anyone remember the quote attributed to John Wayne?

"....my Dad always taught me to be polite and not to deliberately offend anyone....so, if I offend you, you can be darn sure I'm doing it deliberately."

...or something to that effect.