Bob White

Actually we agree completely. My whole point is it is for the BOR to determine if the scout dressed properly, not the SM. I am really less hung up on the policies than I am on allowing everyone to do there own job (and taking the training required to it it correctly). The SM is not the Big Wheel, dictatorships do not produce good citizenship.

sctmom, Just so we agree we are on the same page (sorry about the pun) it says "the scout will be able to ddetermine if he is ready" not the scoutmaster determines if he is ready! A much more positive approach than the SM refusing to let him attend the BOR!

sctmom, May I recommend a position? With your enthusiasm and growing knowledge, you would be an great candidate for 'Troop Training Coordinator'. this is a relatively new committee position. You will need to attend New Leader Essentials (if you haven't already), Troop Committee Challenge and then Trainer Development/BSA 500, the last course helps you learn training skills and teaches you the BSA training continuim. Your responsibilities are to promote training at all levels to unit scouts and scouters. You will also be able to deliver training to adults within your unit on a small group

HMMMM, I just had a posting disappear. If this ends up on the thread twice I apologize. I have not found a vague policy that I can recall (vague procedures maybe). the Advancement Policy on Uniforming and advancement says "a boy should be neat in appearance and wear as complete and correct a uniform as he can". The Board of Review (3 Committee Members)need to talk with the boy and see if he meets this requirement (it reflects on 'Show Scout Spirit'). the important point to make that it is not the decision of the Scoutmaster. If the SM is going to predetermine the findings of

sctmom, "I sense that THE FORCE is strong within you"! Happy Scouting!

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A warm handshake (left hand of course) and a hardy slap on the back to Rooster7 for correctly answering today's trivia questions!

Glad your enjoying jethehiker. Is that your final answer? OOOH sorry, wrong on both. Would you like to buy a vowel?

Jethehiker, I'm curious, if your ASMs do all that what is left for your tr5oop committee to do? I can see ASMs supporting program elements, But why isn't administrative support in the committee's hands?

thanks jethehiker, First Class First year is one of the most effective program tools we have. it starts with the New Scout Patrol program under the leadership of an Assistant Scoutmaster and a boy Scout selected by the adult leadership to be a Troop Guide. the Troop Guide is an older scout who can help to set a good scouting example for the new scouts in both skills and behaviour. the Guide is an voting member of the PLC (Patrol Leaders council) along with the patrol Leader from the New Scout Patrol. the new scout Patrol gets 2 votes in the PLC to hel keep the wants and needs of the new s

this is an offshoot from a disussion in uniforms. Several variations in how units do Boards and SM conferences has become evident. My personal concernis that advancement procedures are closely controlled by National BSA Policies. The primary rule to remember is that no unit or individual has the authority to add, or subtract from, any advancement policy, procedure or requirement. I'm not trying to promote 'Scouting According to Bob'. this is abbout scouting according to the BSA. Remember this is their game we are just the lucky ones who get to share it with the boys. If you were a baseballl co

Glad to here you are making hte transiton. Be sure to make it to SM/Asst. SM Leader Specific training. There is a big difference between Adult run Cubbibg and Boy leadership in Boy Scouts. 'Troop Program Features' is a series of three, three ring bound manuals. each one contains 12 unique monthly themes for scout meetings. each theme has program ides and Troop Meeting agendas for a 4-week program. An ninvaluable tool for teaching and aiding the Patrol Leaders Council for program planning. 'Troop Program Resources' is a single product, also in 3-ring binder format that provides troop

We seem to have come full circle in this discussion, and then some. This started talking about uniforming, drifted into advancement and now is a mingling of advancement and uniforming. I think it would be clearer if we kept the 2 separated for the time being. The bottom line that I tried to explain when I jumped on board this conversation is that there seems to be some basic misunderstanding of BSA administration. NOT everything written in scouting literature is POLICY, (rules unalterable by the units) Except for three areas. UNIFORM, a trademarked symbol owned by the BSA, ADVANCEM

Dan, Scout's Honor, I'm not a professional scouter. Just a volunteer who has had a successful and fun filled time in scouting for over 3 decades. More explaination in the new string on this board regarding troop literature. by the way..Your can call me Bob, or you can call me Bobby, or you can call me B.W. or you can call me Bob W., but you doesn't have to call me Mr. White.

This is the start of what I hope will be a string of helpfull print resources for BSA scout Troops. Maybe next we could do the same for Cub Leaders. I know I must sound like a commercial for the National Service Center, but I'm just a volunteer like I suppose most if not all of you are. I've been in unit scouting and unit support since the mid seventies and served in 4 councils. My experience has shown me that the best Scout programs are the ones that toe the national line. BSA (and by the way I refer to the BSA as thousands of talented , dedicated volunteers who have a handfull of profe

I followed the edit steps too and could not edit my post.

FScouter, it's amazazing how quickly we get to know each other over a posting. Why I can already sense the humor with which you wrote of the the 30-second Board of Review. As a scouter, dedicated to the healthy development of boys, I realize that you would actually have the committee members on the board discuss the boys developing character with him and guide him to a positive resolution for the growth of the scout. Both of us realize that we can create greater change through meaningfull contacts with the boys and that there is little vakue to a 30-second Board.

And there in lies the rub. Uniform policies exist to keep the symbols of scouting 'uniform' throughout the BSA program, not just uniform within a single unit. the policies allow a choice of approved shirts, pants, belts, and socks. Along with a wide variation of neckwear and headwear. the choice of footwear is almost limitless. You can even have matching t-shirts, just don't call it a BSA uniform. We do not have authority to swap non-official pieces with official pieces.

You really do need to read the Advancement policies and procedures. In the event you just described, if you failed to review the scout, he would be allowed to appeal. However, if you give him the Board of Review, the board can postpone the advancement based on the scouts attitude, spirit, lack of evidence as to understanding and using the motto, lack of understanding or living the scout law "a Scout is Loyal,Clean, Courteous, Obedient" throw in Trustworthy if youlike. The Board must then tell the scout 1.why he did not recieve the advancement 2. what specific actions must he take

Ask Your Council to Contact the National Office. Actually everything (99%) of what you need to know in the way of policies can be found in 4 sources. Scouting primarily controls 3 areas with policies (regulations that are unalterable by units). 1.Uniforming, "the Insignia Control Guide" and "The Money Earning Application" 2. Advancement, "the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures" 3. Safety, "Guide to Safe Scouting" There are procedures for all sorts of things, mostly paperwork, but the policies are primarily listed in these three relatively small, extremely inex

Be glad to bigbeard. It may take me a day or two, and I'll start a new string on the general discussion board. I'm sure there will be other resources that fellow scouters have found helpful that they will want to add as well.

HMMMMMM, She gets to be both the CC and the COR? Kinda like getting to be the President and the Vice president at the same time. Actually if you look at the first policy in the Guide to safe scouting, (policies are in bold lettering) an adult is only allowed to hold one position within a single unit. This would preclude her from chartering in two registered positions within the same pack. COR is probably the best way to go and then she can select the CC. As far as junior leader positions keep in mind our goal is to train boy leaders. the way we do that is while they are in offic

It's great that you want to crosscheck. The manual you want is available through your Council Service Center. Remember that You cannot add or subtract from Advancement Policies, change uniforming unless the policy states an option, or set Safety rules that are less stringent than those stated in guide to Safe scouting.

Good advice. Also, go to training ASAP.

* Set the example by wearing full and correct uniformimg among all registered adults. * Clear and consistent definition of the correct uniform * Positive reinforcement for individuals in proper uniform * Let the parents know from the moment of joining what the uniform expectations are and WHY we wear uniforms * Money earning projects that help a scout make uniform and equipment purchases * Address uniforming at Boards of review * Work with Cub Packs to encourage Full and Correct uniforming before the boy reaches Boy Scouting * implement Uniform exchange withi