ThunderFox

Pack212, What do the other patrols think of the NSP's and their role in the troop. Odds are they do not like them. If they don't then changing is easy if you have the SPL and the PLC come up with a plan for change. It will be their plan and they will work it. It may require some judicial hint planting. They will probably decide that they will start with assigning themselves as a tent buddy to a newbie on the first few campouts to show the new guys the ropes in an 1 on 1 manner. Of course the Buddy patrol will have some of the familiar Webelos as the newbies and in 3 or 4 months this

SHORTRIDGE, You are like a polititian, if you do not agree with something you attack it and its supporters. If it's actually right, you attack it even harder! You keep attacking, quoting and restating as you ignore our answers. And then you ask for answers. Well sir, those answers ain't gonna change because they are the rules with some folks personal view embellishments tacked on, admittedly. And until you get some new questions, I'm done answering your questions. Shortridge, you jumped in here on the attack without a statement of what it is you are precisely espousing, you m

SHORTRIDGE, I am an adult, 65 years of age, well past my majority and living self-supported for 47 years and I do not need your assistance in expressing myself. This following phrase never crosed my lips nor my keyboard save to cite them here: "Thunder Fox and other members of the purist school would seem to argue that we're not allowed to provide them with information" Sir, you misquote me!

"Thunder Fox and other members of the purist school would seem to argue that we're not allowed to provide them with information" The problem is there are those in the OA who when given an inch understand the inch given to justify taking a mile. These are the folks who will destroy the OA they purport to love, revere and cherish. That is why the rules are there. You, personally, might deal effectively with parents with tact and understanding in the situation but what assurance do YOU have that ALL chapter advisors will deal in good faith if found in this situation? I do not under

KC9DDI, It is never acceptable to ask a parent to back-off if they are wanting to exercise their parental rights. If they are wanting to exercise a personal choice that is not allowed by BSA rules, they may not do so.

KC9DDI, Many years ago my troop wrote a "Troop Committe Guide & Parents Handbook" that is shared with parents of boys condidering joining our troop. As titled, it not only explains what parents might have concerns about, it goes on to explain why they should be involved and because it has the workings of the troop committee in it, they can see where they might fit in based upon their time and talents. More importantly, soon after being given the book, we have later a follow-up meeting where philosophy of the troop is explained and there is an in depth Q&A session with SM and

There are very few years of my life that I have not been a member of Scouting, most of them my first 8 years. Scouting gave me a code that helped me understand what I was being told at Sunday School. In high school, it gave me a compass while so many were groping for who they were. The Oath & Law were real to me and kept me out of trouble. I was told to "Run the Twelve", go through the twelve points of the law and see if what I was considering doing violated any one of the twelve; if it did, don't do it! Scouting gave me the tools to do and succeed and also to cope with failure. It

If an established religion objects to the Boy Scouts, the OA need not worry about objections from that quarter as their followers will not join BSA so OA membership, ceremony and ritual are moot points. What is under discussion is parental or clergy PERCEPTION by individuals who do have boys and/or followers in the program who may have bad information or no information. If these folks, who already are suspecting something is up, encounter what seems an organized campaign to thwart their investigation or concerns, they will see this as proof that something negative is really going on.

So all you guys who claim having parents attend will ruin the experience are admitting you are very poor planners and cannot seclude the parents shielding the partticpants from knowing they are there? You are just throwing up your arms in defeat???? Good, now assign the task to your Boy-Run Youth Leadership; they can accomplish this in a snap!! Your status quo is not their staus quo unless you have soured the barrel!

Sadly, this discourse has continued for years with no resolution when there are really only two positions espoused or expressed herein. A. I will honor my oath as a Scout leader and follow the rules. B. I will violate my oath as a Scout Leader and do what I want to do. So take your pick, do what's right or teach the Scouts rules are meant to be broken and your oath means nothing.

Mr. Boyce, You are reading between the cracks in the sidewalks and not between the cracks in any of my comments nor anyone elses when you state we want to be broadcasting the guts of the organization to anyone", nor did we talk about hazing. We are focusing on the BSA rule that states parents may attend OA ceremonies and meetings and sets their right to do so when many OA Adults have decided to circumvent this rule to the best of their ability. My impressions of the OA are not formed from merely one or two instances; they have been formed over 50 years of participation and ob

Last sentence above should read: If the troop those adults come from are Not boy run, how can the chapter magically become boy run??

Mr. Boyce, In my over 50 years in Scouting, I have never heard of a Pack or Troop breaking up, dissolving etc. because the Scouts cannot get along. Boys can find away to get along AND most often, do the right thing. It's always adults who cause the discord. The "restrict parents attending commentors here" have a "Vision" of this secret Order that is illegal in their organization, so they rationalize to make it so. They are willing to risk the very existence of their beloved Order to do things their way against the rules. Some, as stated in this forum, see absolutely no danger to the

"Lesser mortals have less Forum posts.:-)" Ahhh.....another member of the Quantity Over Quality Club!

I was not aware that Scouting or the OA had lesser mortals as members. Not sure I know what constitutes a lesser mortal. As to my criteria of judgement, I have none. Although, I do have subscribed standards of behavior and they are the Scout Oath & Law, the rules of the BSA, the laws of the land and the Ten Commandments and then a bit of common sense. I would say a Chapter Kegger among other similar things would indicate that the chapter leadership should not be members of OA and Scouting. The adult malfeasence is self evident.